Re: Predictive failures

Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 13:05:40 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
 

On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 15:41:57 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
 

On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 10:13:02 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
 

Is there a general rule of thumb for signalling the likelihood of
an "imminent" (for some value of "imminent") hardware failure?
 
I suspect most would involve *relative* changes that would be
suggestive of changing conditions in the components (and not
directly related to environmental influences).
 
So, perhaps, a good strategy is to just "watch" everything and
notice the sorts of changes you "typically" encounter in the hope
that something of greater magnitude would be a harbinger...

 
There is a standard approach that may work:  Measure the level and
trend of very low frequency (around a tenth of a Hertz) flicker noise.
When connections (perhaps within a package) start to fail, the flicker
level rises.  The actual frequency monitored isn't all that critical.
 
Joe Gwinn

 
Do connections "start to fail" ?

 
Yes, they do, in things like vias.  I went through a big drama where a
critical bit of radar logic circuitry would slowly go nuts. 
 
It turned out that the copper plating on the walls of the vias was
suffering from low-cycle fatigue during temperature cycling and slowly
breaking, one little crack at a time, until it went open.  If you
measured the resistance to parts per million (6.5 digit DMM), sampling
at 1 Hz, you could see the 1/f noise at 0.1 Hz rising.  It's useful to
also measure a copper line, and divide the via-chain resistance by the
no-via resistance, to correct for temperature changes.
 
The solution was to redesign the vias, mainly to increase the critical
volume of copper.  And modern SMD designs have less and less copper
volume.
 
I bet precision resistors can also be measured this way.
 
 

I don't think I've ever owned a piece of electronic equipment that
warned me of an impending failure.

 
Onset of smoke emission is a common sign.
 
 

Cars do, for some failure modes, like low oil level.

 
The industrial method for big stuff is accelerometers attached near
the bearings, and listen for excessive rotation-correlated (not
necessarily harmonic) noise.

There are a number of instruments available that look for metal particles
in the lubricating oil.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

 
 

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