Re: Re:Predictive failures

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Sujet : Re: Re:Predictive failures
De : invalid (at) *nospam* invalid.invalid (Edward Rawde)
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Date : 16. Apr 2024, 18:02:43
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"Don Y" <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in message
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On 4/15/2024 8:33 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:
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[Shouldn't that be Edwar D rawdE?]

I don't mind how you pronounce it.

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Again, the goal is to be an EARLY warning, not an "Oh, Shit!  Kill the
power!!"
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As such, software is invaluable as designing PREDICTIVE hardware is
harder than designing predictive software (algorithms).

Two comparators can make a window detector which will tell you whether some
parameter is in a specified range.
And it doesn't need monthly updates because software is never finished.

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You don't want to tell the user "The battery in your smoke detector
is NOW dead (leaving you vulnerable)" but, rather, "The battery in
your smoke detector WILL cease to be able to provide the power necessary
for the smoke detector to provide the level of protection that you
desire."
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And, the WAY that you inform the user has to be "productive/useful".
A smoke detector beeping every minute is likely to find itself unplugged,
leading to exactly the situation that the alert was trying to avoid!

Reminds me of a tenant who just removed the battery to stop the annoying
beeping.
Better to inform the individual who can get the replacement done when the
tenant isn't even home.

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I'm not looking for speculation.  I'm looking for folks who have DONE
such things (designing to speculation is more expensive than just letting
the devices fail when they need to fail!)

Well I don't recall putting anything much into a design which could predict
remaining life.
The only exceptions, also drawing from other replies in this thread, might
be be temperature sensing,
voltage sensing, current sensing, air flow sensing, noise sensing, iron in
oil sensing,
and any other kind of sensing which might provide information on parameters
outside or getting close to outside expected range.
Give that to some software which also knows how long the equipment has been
in use, how often
it has been used, what the temperature and humidity was, how long it's been
since the oil was changed,
and you might be able to give the operator useful information about when to
schedule specific maintenance.
But don't give the software too much control. I don't want to be told that I
can't use the equipment because an oil change was required 5 minutes ago and
it hasn't been done yet.

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