Re: Another design

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On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:11:03 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
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"Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Simulation says that these synchronize in opposite phase.
As expected there is overlap causing input current spikes and there's
probably no way to fix that.
I wonder what would happen in reality.

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