Re: smart people doing stupid things

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On 5/18/2024 7:18 AM, Edward Rawde wrote:

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On 5/17/2024 9:49 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:

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On 5/17/2024 7:11 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:

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On 5/17/2024 1:43 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:

Not sure how he managed to say master debaters that many times
while
seemingly keeping a straight face but it reminds me of this:
https://www.learningmethods.com/downloads/pdf/james.alcock--the.belief.engine.pdf
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One thing which bothers me about AI is that if it's like us but
way
more
intelligent than us then...

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The 'I' in AI doesn't refer to the same sense of "intelligence"
that
you are imagining.

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Strange that you could know what I was imagining.

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People are invariably mislead by thinking that there is
"intelligence"
involved in the technology.  If there is intelligence, then there
should
be *reason*, right?  If there is reason, then I should be able to
inquire
as to what, specifically, those reasons were for any
"decision"/choice
that is made.

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What is a decision?

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Any option to take one fork vs. another.

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So a decision is a decision.

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A decision is a choice.  A srategy is HOW you make that choice.
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Shouldn't a decision be that which causes a specific fork to be chosen?

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Why?  I choose to eat pie.  The reasoning behind the choice may be
as banal as "because it's already partially eaten and will spoil if
not consumed soon" or "because that is what my body craves at this moment"
or "because I want to remove that item from the refrigerator to make room
for some other item recently acquired".
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In other words the current state of a system leads it to produce a
specific
future state?

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That defines a strategic goal.  Choices (decisions) are made all the time.
Their *consequences* are often not considered in the process!

In that case I'm not seeing anything different between decisions, goals and
choices made by a human brain and those made by an AI system.
But what started this was "People are invariably mislead by thinking that
there is "intelligence" involved in the technology".

So perhaps I should be asking what is intelligence? And can a computer have
it?
Was the computer which created these videos intelligent?
https://openai.com/index/sora/
Plenty of decisions and choices must have been made and I don't see anything
in the "Historical footage of California during the gold rush" which says
it's not a drone flying over a set made for a movie.
The goal was to produce the requested video.
Some of the other videos do scream AI but that may not be the case in a year
or two.
In any case the human imagination is just as capable of imagining a scene
with tiny red pandas as it is of imagining a scene which could exist in
reality.
Did the creation of these videos require intelligence?
What exactly IS intelligence?
I might also ask what is a reason?

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I don't claim to know what a decision is but I think it's interesting
that
it seems to be one of those questions everyone knows the answer to until
they're asked.

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