Re: Can Jews be Nazis?

On Mon, 20 May 2024 08:56:17 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

On Mon, 20 May 2024 11:40:06 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
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On 5/20/2024 9:57 AM, john larkin wrote:

On Sun, 19 May 24 23:57:56 UTC, NefeshBarYochai <void@invalid.noy>
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BY STEPHEN F. EISENMAN
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For many people, the question is inflammatory. The crimes of the
German Nazis were of such magnitude that comparison with any other
historical violence is invidious. The genocide of the Jews was
deliberate and methodical and intended to eliminate every last one.
The goal was the same with the Romani and Sinti people. By comparison,
the Israelis – currently accused of genocide — are rank amateurs. They
have so far killed some 35,000 Palestinians in Gaza out of a
population of 2.3 million.
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But the question, “Can Jews be Nazis?” is nevertheless important for
challenging claims of moral inoculation by virtue of the Jewish
experience of the Holocaust. If Israeli leaders are indeed committing
a genocide in Gaza – as seems the case — they inhabit the same moral
universe as the German Nazis, regardless of the suffering of past
generations. In addition to the 35,000 killed, the war in Gaza has
injured another 75,000 and displaced 2 million. Most of the victims
are women and children – how can their deaths be justified? Israeli
cabinet ministers, Knesset members, military personnel, and police
have all freely spoken of their wish to force Palestinians into Egypt,
establish Jewish-only settlements in Gaza, and even use an atomic bomb
to kill everyone in the Gaza strip. (U.S. senator Lindsay Graham
recently also suggested using a nuclear weapon against Gaza.)

 
 
At the end of WWII, German cities and industry were heaps of burnt
rubble, much worse than Gaza today. Half of Germany was occupied by
the USSR. About 6 million jews had been starved and gassed to death by
the nazis. About 100 million people died in WWII.
 
Israel wants to survive and is arguably doing what it must do to
survive. The bad guys aren't Israel, they are Iran and Hamas and the
many other savages, kidnappers, bombers, and rapists.
 
The extreme islamists want to kill all the jews and take their land.
The citizens of Israel of course object. Thay have atom bombs and
havedn't used them, even after the drons attacks from Iran.

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If heavily nuclear-armed nations still routinely feel in great danger of
their sovereignty and land being taken then it's hard to know what else
to do for them that could make them feel any safer.
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Long-term, Israel can't allow Iran to have nukes, because they know
that Iran will use them on Israeli cities and welcome retaliation as
blessed martyrdom.

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Exacrly.  What's scary is that the extremist islamists are eager for
martyrdom, especially somebody else's. The lunatics in Iran may think
that a nuclear exchange is worth it if it kills a lot of jews.
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Iran has probably noticed that no nuclear-armed state has ever been
conquered, it's unclear if Israel knows.

Destroyed != Conquered.

The Iranian leadership no doubt has nuke-proof tunnel complexes, built
at great expense. Strange how some people like to live underground.
Sounds nasty and stinky to me.

I wonder if the Ayatollah is willing to sacrifice the Shia holy city
of Qom, which is not holy to the Sunni.  One wonders if the Shia
branch of Islam would survive the loss on Qom.

Joe Gwinn