Re: fast NPN in LT Spice

On 3/06/2024 1:22 pm, john larkin wrote:

On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 20:35:02 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
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"john larkin" <jl@650pot.com> wrote in message news:4n2q5jln0sb9oqbfp81jm723tbjf7tol80@4ax.com...

On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 19:46:14 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
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"john larkin" <jl@650pot.com> wrote in message news:eqsp5jde87vqs6du4a7djoalag7kpkuhkr@4ax.com...

There are many NPNs in the standard LT Spice library.
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Does anyone know of a fast, RF type, transistor? It's hard to tell
from the jillion lines of fine-print parameters.

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https://www.google.com/search?q=".model+BFR92A"
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I want to make a model of the MC10EP89 gate.
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That doesn't seem to be in the LT Spice library.
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2SC3838K looks OK.
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It's hard to pick parts, discrete or ICs, from the library.

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Yes it would be nice if a description of the part as well as the part number could be included.

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A sortable column of Ft would be nice for transistors. Lacking that,
sorting on Vce helps spot the RF parts. Low voltage suggests RF.

Here's a circuit that includes a 5GHz ft BFR92A, which a typical broad-band transistor. I had to put in the Spice model into the .asc file myself.
There used to be quite a few of them around, but - as Phil Hobbs has mentioned - most of them have gone obsolete. He has tracked down a surviving PNP equivalent, but you won't need that to simulate ECL.
It's not the first time I've posted such a .asc file here.
Version 4
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TEXT -272 1000 Left 2 !.model BFR92A NPN(IS=0.1213E-15 VAF=30 BF=94.73 IKF=0.46227  XTB=0 BR=10.729 CJC=946.47E-15 CJE=10.416E-15 TR=1.2744E-9 TF=26.796E-12  ITF=0.0044601 VTF=0.32861  XTF=0.3817 RB=14.998 RC=0.13793 RE=0.29088 Vceo=15 Icrating=4m mfg=Infineon)
TEXT -904 1024 Left 2 !.tran 0 300n 0
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Bill Sloman, Sydney