Re: Quantum mystics

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Sujet : Re: Quantum mystics
De : jeroen (at) *nospam* nospam.please (Jeroen Belleman)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design
Date : 10. Jun 2024, 22:43:38
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On 6/10/24 19:03, Martin Brown wrote:
On 10/06/2024 15:45, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/10/24 01:56, john larkin wrote:
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The split-beam interferometer was designed specifically to mess with
our heads.
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Was it? I think it behaves exacly like you'd expect from
a wave phenomenon observed with quantized detectors.
 But the wave phenomena in some experiments (aka wavefunction) can belong to comparatively heavy objects that we would normally think of as classical particles. Indeed we can even image the molecules used at atomic level with scanning tunnelling microscopes.
 I'm pretty sure they have diffracted buckyballs through Young's slits. I think the record for complexity is still held by a fluorinated porphyrin ~10k amu 800+ atoms and efforts are underway to diffract a small virus.
 More info on Arxiv here : https://arxiv.org/pdf/1310.8343
University of Vienna, Zeilinger's fief, again. I'll have a closer
look to see what tricks they played.

 Experimentally it is quite a tour de force!
 Physical intuition tends to break down when you have a superposition of quantum states involved. Attempting to know which slit a particle actually went through destroys the interference pattern and experiments using ultra low flux levels with just a single photon in at any one time still show a diffraction pattern. QM is decidedly counter intuitive.
 Explores all available paths mathematics gets the right results but I can't help feeling that there is a way to avoid the action at a distance implied by quantum entanglement when we get all of the physics correct.
 I didn't think his talk was all that outrageous. A bit over simplified perhaps but then avoiding almost all of the maths that is inevitable.
 
Over-simplified to the point of being devoid of meaning, indeed.
Jeroen Belleman

Date Sujet#  Auteur
9 Jun 24 * Quantum mystics44Jeroen Belleman
9 Jun 24 +- Re: Quantum mystics1Phil Hobbs
9 Jun 24 +- Re: Quantum mystics1bitrex
9 Jun 24 +* Re: Quantum mystics26john larkin
9 Jun 24 i`* Re: Quantum mystics25Martin Brown
10 Jun 24 i +* Re: Quantum mystics5john larkin
10 Jun 24 i i`* Re: Quantum mystics4Jeroen Belleman
10 Jun 24 i i `* Re: Quantum mystics3Martin Brown
10 Jun 24 i i  `* Re: Quantum mystics2Jeroen Belleman
11 Jun 24 i i   `- Re: Quantum mystics1Martin Brown
10 Jun 24 i +* Re: Quantum mystics18bitrex
10 Jun 24 i i+- Re: Quantum mystics1john larkin
10 Jun 24 i i+* Re: Quantum mystics15Jeff Layman
10 Jun 24 i ii+* Re: Quantum mystics13Liz Tuddenham
10 Jun 24 i iii+- Re: Quantum mystics1Jeff Layman
10 Jun 24 i iii+* Re: Quantum mystics6john larkin
10 Jun 24 i iiii`* Re: Quantum mystics5Bill Sloman
10 Jun 24 i iiii `* Re: Quantum mystics4Liz Tuddenham
10 Jun 24 i iiii  +* Re: Quantum mystics2john larkin
11 Jun 24 i iiii  i`- Re: Quantum mystics1Bill Sloman
11 Jun 24 i iiii  `- Re: Quantum mystics1Bill Sloman
10 Jun 24 i iii+- Re: Quantum mystics1Bill Sloman
10 Jun 24 i iii`* Re: Quantum mystics4Jeroen Belleman
10 Jun 24 i iii `* Re: Quantum mystics3john larkin
10 Jun 24 i iii  +- Re: Quantum mystics1Martin Brown
10 Jun 24 i iii  `- Re: Quantum mystics1Jeroen Belleman
10 Jun 24 i ii`- Re: Quantum mystics1Bill Sloman
10 Jun 24 i i`- Re: Quantum mystics1Jeroen Belleman
10 Jun 24 i `- Re: Quantum mystics1Jeroen Belleman
10 Jun 24 `* Re: Quantum mystics15Jan Panteltje
10 Jun 24  `* Re: Quantum mystics14john larkin
10 Jun 24   `* Re: Quantum mystics13Jeroen Belleman
10 Jun 24    +* Re: Quantum mystics8Martin Brown
10 Jun 24    i`* Re: Quantum mystics7Phil Hobbs
10 Jun 24    i +- Re: Quantum mystics1Phil Hobbs
10 Jun 24    i `* Re: Quantum mystics5Jeroen Belleman
10 Jun 24    i  `* Re: Quantum mystics4john larkin
11 Jun 24    i   +- Re: Quantum mystics1Martin Brown
11 Jun 24    i   `* Re: Quantum mystics2Jeroen Belleman
11 Jun 24    i    `- Re: Quantum mystics1john larkin
10 Jun 24    `* Re: Quantum mystics4john larkin
10 Jun 24     `* Re: Quantum mystics3Jeroen Belleman
10 Jun 24      `* Re: Quantum mystics2john larkin
10 Jun 24       `- Re: Quantum mystics1Jeroen Belleman

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