Re: Expedition to Europa

On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 20:01:20 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 6/28/24 09:01, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 28/06/2024 02:41, john larkin wrote:

On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 03:22:04 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
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On 2024-06-27 20:39, Joe Gwinn wrote:

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Excerpted from Aviation Week, June 3-16 2024, page 38:
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Located more than five times farther away from the Sun than Earth,
Europa seems an unlikely place to look for life. Surface temperatures
on the ice-shrouded moon of Jupiter average |-260F, and radiation
levels are high enough to kill a human being in one day.

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Being that far from the sun, where comes that radiation from?

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Our sun is friendly. The universe is deadly.
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It's a miracle that Earth is shielded.

 
Indeed. It's a point often ignored by exoplanet life-seekers. It's one
thing to find suitable conditions which might create life, it's another
thing entirely to find conditions which could sustain life. Take this
very recent review on Gliese 12 b:
<https://ras.ac.uk/news-and-press/news/rare-exo-venus-earth-temperature-discovered>
 
Note this comment:
"..."Although we don't yet know whether it possesses an atmosphere,
we've been thinking of it as an exo-Venus, with similar size and energy
received from its star as our planetary neighbour in the solar system."
 
An important factor in retaining an atmosphere is the storminess of its
star. Red dwarfs tend to be magnetically active, resulting in frequent,
powerful X-ray flares.
 
However, analyses by both teams conclude that Gliese 12 shows no signs
of such extreme behaviour, raising hopes that Gliese 12 b's atmosphere
may still be intact."
 
So a red dwarf tends to have frequent powerful x-ray flares, yet the
only comment is that there were no signs of this extreme behaviour.
Firstly, how can it be "extreme" if it's frequent, and how long have
they been observing this star anyway? Secondly, did nobody consider what
an x-ray flare would do to any life which might have formed on the
planet? Never mind the planet's surface temperature and presence - or
not - of an atmosphere. A blast of x-rays and probably other radiation
isn't exactly know for its life-sustaining properties.
 
And that's even supposing a red dwarf would be capable of providing
"suitable" radiation levels capable of supporting an earth-like planet
in the first place. See:
<https://ras.ac.uk/news-and-press/research-highlights/earth-biospheres-other-planets-may-be-rare>
 

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Oh well. Earth has a toxic, oxidizing atmosphere, with free oxygen and
worse, ozone. And yet life thrives.

Earth wants to burn down most of the stuff that we build.