Re: OT: EV Charging Stations Stripped of Copper Cables

On 04/07/2024 12:10, RJH wrote:

On 4 Jul 2024 at 10:58:07 BST, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
 

On 04/07/2024 10:06, alan_m wrote:

Another half truth by the industry. It's only cheaper when it works and
if you ignore the backup required for when it doesn't and the extra
infrastructure costs required to distribute it.

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It isn't even cheaper then.
Some of us have run the numbers...
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 Care to share ;-)
 

Per gigawatt a wind turbine is cheaper than a nuclear power station but
that ignores
- the shorter lifetime of the windmill
- the capacity factor of the windmill
- the massive maintenance cost associated with a windmill.
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 I find it hard to believe that the revenue costs (per unit of electricity) of
a wind turbine exceeds those of nuclear.

Its not open to belief. Its open to FACT
But you need to have some understanding of finance and accounting.
If you can borrow money at 5% because there is a 'green' fund, and your income is GUARANTEED by government, you are at a considerable advantage over a nuclear company who has to borrow at market rates, and with a possible premium because the risk of nuclear being stopped by the next government is very real as happened in Germany where Vattenfall EON and RWE successfully sued the german government for billions for breach of contract...
..then naturally the costs will be far higher.
But if you remove all the tax breaks, cheap debt, and subsidies  ROCS and carbon credits from renewables and compare them on a levelised lifetime basis,  then wind is 2-3 times more expensive than nuclear and solar about 5 times.
Just on the basis of the wind and solar farms themselves, not including costs that they don't bear, like battery backup grid extensions long DC interconnectors  decommissioning and gas backup
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