Re: OT: EV Charging Stations Stripped of Copper Cables

On 4/07/2024 9:52 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 04/07/2024 12:10, RJH wrote:

On 4 Jul 2024 at 10:58:07 BST, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

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Some of us have run the numbers...

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Care to share ;-)

He won't. He is lying twit.

Per gigawatt a wind turbine is cheaper than a nuclear power station but
that ignores
- the shorter lifetime of the windmill
- the capacity factor of the windmill
- the massive maintenance cost associated with a windmill.

None of which you have ever bothered to document.

I find it hard to believe that the revenue costs (per unit of electricity) of a wind turbine exceeds those of nuclear.

 Its not open to belief. Its open to FACT

None of which you have bothered to find or point us at. Inventing them takes a lot less effort.

But you need to have some understanding of finance and accounting.

Most people. do But the world is full of clowns who think that they get away with pretending that they do to justify all sorts of stupid delusions.

If you can borrow money at 5% because there is a 'green' fund, and your income is GUARANTEED by government, you are at a considerable advantage over a nuclear company who has to borrow at market rates, and with a possible premium because the risk of nuclear being stopped by the next government is very real as happened in Germany where Vattenfall EON and RWE successfully sued the german government for billions for breach of contract...
 ..then naturally the costs will be far higher.

But the period when wind turbines got subsidised is long past.

But if you remove all the tax breaks, cheap debt, and subsidies  ROCS and carbon credits from renewables and compare them on a levelised lifetime basis,  then wind is 2-3 times more expensive than nuclear and solar about 5 times.

Except that you haven't documented any of these imagined subsidies.

Just on the basis of the wind and solar farms themselves, not including costs that they don't bear, like battery backup, grid extensions, long DC interconnectors  decommissioning and gas backup

People were building long DC links long before renewables were a thing.
When I was a kid the UK and France strung a long cable across the English channel to exploit the difference in the timing of the peak demand on either side.
https://www.nationalgrid.com/national-grid-launches-viking-link-next-step-towards-north-sea-super-grid
is still justified on the basis that it will be sending current both ways across the North Sea, though it also picks up power generated in off-shore wind farms along the route. They aren't "extra costs" but rather part of the system.
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