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De : jlarkin_highland_tech (at) *nospam* nirgendwo (john larkin)
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Date : 16. Aug 2024, 23:07:52
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On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 21:01:06 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 15/08/2024 22:53, john larkin wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:42:12 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
 
On 15/08/2024 00:55, john larkin wrote:
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https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a61854962/quantum-entanglement-consciousness/
>
Popular Mechanics is *such* a reputable source of cutting edge QM theory.
 
It's a news site. It links to a physics journal article.
 
Is Physics Review E contaminated by a link from PM?
>
In a word *YES*. I'm not sure what Physics Review E thought it was doing
accepting an article making wild claims about consciousness on the basis
of predicted entangled photon emission from myelin sheaths.
>
OTOH I was visiting my tame biochemist friend today and he is interested
in it as he has always suspected that there was a lot more to myelin
sheaths on nerves than they are usually given credit for. A QM mediated
higher transmission efficiency of signals *might* just be plausible.
>
He thanks you for me bringing it to his attention.
>
The good thing about the scientific method it that it is ultimately self
correcting since the experimentalists and nature will have the final
say. An elegant or pleasing theory that makes incorrect predictions is
toast once an experimental refutation has been found.

But that's no reason to outright dismiss interesting conjectures. Most
science started with wild, unpopular ideas, so small but important
fraction of which turned out to work.







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QM certainly plays a big role in making rhodopsin and chlorophyll work.
The former being way more archaic and is still present in our eyes.
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When they publish it in Nature or somewhere reputable I'll take note.
They already seem to have grumbled to New Scientist about being dissed.
>
A hypothesis has to survive experimental testing to be at all credible.
If they are right then you should be able to alter consciousness by
flooding the interior of the brain with incoherent IR photons. Somehow I
can't see that working at all.
>
Quantum entanglement may be all the rage now but it is likely to be just
another variant of the "action at a distance" in Newtonian gravity that
will disappear once we have a complete grand unified theory of physics.
>
So far it looks like consciousness is an emergent property of any
sufficiently complex computational network. The big super computer
networks are now getting close to the threshold where that might happen.
 
It's just code.
>
Not any more it isn't.

Those giant computer networks don't run code?

Your lack of understanding is a handicap.

Your lack of imagination ditto.


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17 Aug 24 iii`* Re: yes!4john larkin
17 Aug 24 iii +- Re: yes!1Edward Rawde
17 Aug 24 iii `* Re: yes!2Jeroen Belleman
17 Aug 24 iii  `- Re: yes!1Martin Brown
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17 Aug 24 ii i+* Re: yes!48Jan Panteltje
17 Aug 24 ii ii`* Re: yes!47john larkin
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17 Aug 24 ii ii i`* Re: yes!2john larkin
18 Aug 24 ii ii i `- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
17 Aug 24 ii ii +- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
17 Aug 24 ii ii `* Re: yes!42Edward Rawde
17 Aug 24 ii ii  `* Re: yes!41john larkin
18 Aug 24 ii ii   `* Re: yes!40Bill Sloman
18 Aug 24 ii ii    `* Re: yes!39john larkin
19 Aug 24 ii ii     `* Re: yes!38Bill Sloman
19 Aug 24 ii ii      `* Re: yes!37john larkin
19 Aug 24 ii ii       +- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
20 Aug 24 ii ii       `* Re: yes!35john larkin
20 Aug 24 ii ii        `* Re: yes!34Edward Rawde
20 Aug 24 ii ii         +* Re: yes!32john larkin
20 Aug 24 ii ii         i+* Re: yes!22Edward Rawde
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii`* Re: yes!21john larkin
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii `* Re: yes!20Edward Rawde
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii  `* Re: yes!19john larkin
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii   `* Re: yes!18Edward Rawde
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii    `* Re: yes!17Phil Hobbs
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii     `* Re: yes!16Martin Brown
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii      `* Re: yes!15john larkin
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii       +* Re: yes!2Edward Rawde
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii       i`- Re: yes!1Jan Panteltje
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii       +- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii       `* Re: yes!11Jan Panteltje
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        +* Re: yes!8john larkin
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i`* Re: yes!7Jan Panteltje
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i +* Re: yes!2john larkin
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i i`- Re: yes!1Jeroen Belleman
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i `* Re: yes!4Edward Rawde
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i  +- Re: yes!1john larkin
22 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i  `* Re: yes!2Jan Panteltje
22 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i   `- Re: yes!1Edward Rawde
22 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        `* Re: yes!2Gerhard Hoffmann
22 Aug 24 ii ii         ii         `- Re: yes!1Jan Panteltje
20 Aug 24 ii ii         i+* Re: yes!6Bill Sloman
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii`* Re: yes!5Edward Rawde
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii `* Re: yes!4john larkin
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii  `* Re: yes!3Jeroen Belleman
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii   +- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii   `- Re: yes!1Edward Rawde
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21 Aug 24 ii ii         i `* Re: yes!2john larkin
21 Aug 24 ii ii         i  `- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
20 Aug 24 ii ii         `- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
17 Aug 24 ii i`- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
17 Aug 24 ii `* Re: yes!19john larkin
17 Aug 24 ii  +- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
17 Aug 24 ii  +- Re: yes!1Joe Gwinn
17 Aug 24 ii  `* Re: yes!16Martin Brown
18 Aug 24 ii   `* Re: yes!15john larkin
18 Aug 24 ii    `* Re: yes!14Bill Sloman
18 Aug 24 ii     `* Re: yes!13john larkin
18 Aug 24 ii      +* Re: yes!3Edward Rawde
18 Aug 24 ii      i`* Re: yes!2john larkin
19 Aug 24 ii      i `- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
19 Aug 24 ii      `* Re: yes!9Bill Sloman
19 Aug 24 ii       `* Re: yes!8Jan Panteltje
19 Aug 24 ii        `* Re: yes!7john larkin
19 Aug 24 ii         +* Re: yes!3Phil Hobbs
19 Aug 24 ii         i`* Re: yes!2john larkin
19 Aug 24 ii         i `- Re: yes!1Phil Hobbs
19 Aug 24 ii         `* Re: yes!3Joe Gwinn
19 Aug 24 ii          `* Re: yes!2john larkin
19 Aug 24 ii           `- Re: yes!1Joe Gwinn
16 Aug 24 i+- Re: yes!1Joe Gwinn
16 Aug 24 i`- Re: yes!1Edward Rawde
19 Aug 24 `- Re: yes!1Sylvia Else

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