Re: yes!

On 18/08/2024 2:18 am, john larkin wrote:

On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 14:54:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
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On a sunny day (Sat, 17 Aug 2024 07:00:48 -0700) it happened john larkin
<jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in <dta1cj1f3pudq93ard2o2ve4dadero917e@4ax.com>:
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On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 06:26:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
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On a sunny day (Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:07:52 -0700) it happened john larkin
<jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote in <06jvbjp36khao0m5ot65a1o1krricoasre@4ax.com>:
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It's just code.

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Not any more it isn't.

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Those giant computer networks don't run code?
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Your lack of understanding is a handicap.

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Your lack of imagination ditto.

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Well, there is a bit of your lack of understanding

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So you understand how brains work?
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Where are images stored, and how can one recognize and name one of
maybe a million storted images in a fraction of a second?
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You know about analog computing
So big neural networks are basically imitations of the analog brain.
But you can do a lot in hardware such as storing the 'weights' and vector multiplication. communication.
My suggestion is for you, just as a free time project, code some neural net.
Or at least look up how it works:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_network
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No need for digital at all.
https://research.ibm.com/projects/analog-ai
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OTOH my opinion is that our brain stores memory in RNA and DNA, strong hint is that
newborn species of many types know how the move, find food, interpret what they see and feel, etc.
Recent research found that in those neurons some data is stored in such a basic form as RNA,
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Nature .. we still invent thing nature alread had millions of years ago.
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I've been in several situations where people wanted to use NN's. It
never actually worked. It doesn't make sense.

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Long ago, many years ago, I found an article in a German magazine by a prof
who had some model cars controlled by a simpe 2 or was it 3? neuron net, coded.
There was a choice of how to connect those,
One way the cars were endlessly circling each other, forming a 'swarm' if you want
and the other way those were constantly avoiding each other.
Just a few neurons in software.
I decided to code that, do his experiment
Behavior control, so simple.
Almost human.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_network
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Same as to 'conciousnes'
If you have a sunscreen with a light sensor you can make a system (analog or digital) that closes it as the sun bemones too intense.
Now add a voce that says:"
It is to hot here, I am closing
or
it is so dark here, I am opening
So much for Descartes 'I think so I am'
remove the speech part and is it then uncounciuos?
Doctor will test for an eye or knee reflex...
You can sedate a person an cut him, no reaction.. Unconcious?
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There is some Linux open source software so you can build your own neural net, tried it long ago.
https://slashdot.org/software/neural-network/linux/
even for your Raspberry...
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Neural nets can learn, the 'learning' is in the value of the weights between the neurons.
Without training it to set the weights it will not do what you want it to do.
Those 'weights' can be  analog or digital. Or quantum states?
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I think much of Elon's cars use neural nets to navigate traffic, it works!
Now end-to-end is being tested:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-teslas-end-to-end-neural-network-diana-wolf-torres-0yf4c
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There is so much more than I can type here.
Just a while before we have an AI US president?
;-)

 NNs remind me of the fuzzy logic fad. A magical way to avoid thinking
about hard stuff like control theory.

Of course they do. You don't understand either concept, so you use them as terms of abuse.

Good way to kill people on the streets.

Not as good as the woefully ill-drafted second amendment to the US constitution.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney