Re: yes!

Liste des GroupesRevenir à se design 
Sujet : Re: yes!
De : pcdhSpamMeSenseless (at) *nospam* electrooptical.net (Phil Hobbs)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design
Date : 19. Aug 2024, 15:44:39
Autres entêtes
Organisation : A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID : <v9vlon$2tbm9$1@dont-email.me>
References : 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
User-Agent : NewsTap/5.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch)
john larkin <jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:
On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 07:19:40 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
 
On a sunny day (Mon, 19 Aug 2024 15:27:38 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v9ul4a$2ogi5$2@dont-email.me>:
 
On 19/08/2024 1:14 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 15:39:46 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
 
On 18/08/2024 11:16 am, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 17:54:38 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
 
On 16/08/2024 23:16, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 21:01:06 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
 
OTOH I was visiting my tame biochemist friend today and he is interested
in it as he has always suspected that there was a lot more to myelin
sheaths on nerves than they are usually given credit for. A QM mediated
higher transmission efficiency of signals *might* just be plausible.
 
My theory is that the electrical pulses we see in long nerves are just
chemical refreshes, not the data carriers themselves.
 
That isn't any kind of scientific theory - it is too feeble even to be
called a conjecture. Wild imagining is still far too polite. Crazy idea
perhaps?
 
Consider the timing accuracy required to encode all the information
from your foot, given just the obvious electrical nerve pulses.
 
Now consider what happens to the relative pulse timings when you flex
your limbs and body, when sound and shock waves slam your nerves, when
your heart beats.
 
Too much jitter for simple pulse-time encoding.
 
Who would imagine that it was simple? Design is all about getting the
result you want from the hardware you've got, and while our nervous
system isn't designed, only those random mutations which lead to a
tolerably functional system survived natural selection.
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ToSEAj2V0s
 
We all know you are a creationist. I was deliberately sending you up
there, and you fell for it.
 
John's idea of 'random' in 'only those random mutations which lead to a
tolerably functional system'
shows he misses out on something essential.
Look at the Periodic System, how neutrons, protons, electrons, combine
in always the SAME configuration
forming our elements...
Nothing 'random' about it.
We know very little what electrons and the other elementary particles
are made of and how those work, are formed, interact.
But starting from the Periodic System that is not random at all and then
all the way to life as we know it
is a pre-determined process that does not need a 'God' / Creator or whatever.
Of course some tinkerer alien could have created the elementary
particles in its lab, but that is circular reasoning.
 
There is  lot of circular things, one can wonder if sort of processes
(like us) exist on the surface of neutrons for example
Not such a wild idea if you see the scale of things, us (as humming
beans) on this planet in this solar system in this galaxy in this part
of the universe we can observe..
Scales are fantastic.
As to 'random' creating a random code is hard, people are trying very hard in cryptology..
 
Johnson and zener noise are random. Scramble several to be really
sure.
 
Maybe logic says we cannot create a random code as we are not random? Wild idea...
But randomness is an interesting thing.
 
 
How about programming a computer to generate random character
substitutions in, say, a Python program, and test various resulting
versions to see if they improve, or better yet, perform some wonderful
new unexpected function.
 
That would be neo-darwinian programming, random mutation and
selection.
 
Actually, that scheme has been tried for circuit design. It didn't
work well.
 
Random mutation and selection does work to design LC filters, up to
3rd order or so. At higher orders, it diverges to nonsense.

If you parameterize using the LC values, I believe that. It’s very
difficult to tune a high-order filter unless you start out pretty close.

Parameterizing f_0 and Q for each section works much much better.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs  Principal Consultant  ElectroOptical Innovations LLC /
Hobbs ElectroOptics  Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

Date Sujet#  Auteur
15 Aug 24 * yes!92john larkin
15 Aug 24 +* Re: yes!6Joe Gwinn
15 Aug 24 i`* Re: yes!5john larkin
15 Aug 24 i `* Re: yes!4Edward Rawde
15 Aug 24 i  `* Re: yes!3john larkin
15 Aug 24 i   +- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
15 Aug 24 i   `- Re: yes!1Edward Rawde
15 Aug 24 +- Re: yes!1Jan Panteltje
15 Aug 24 +* Re: yes!4Jeroen Belleman
15 Aug 24 i+- Re: yes!1Jan Panteltje
15 Aug 24 i+- Re: yes!1Jan Panteltje
16 Aug 24 i`- Re: yes!1Jan Panteltje
15 Aug 24 +* Re: yes!79Martin Brown
15 Aug 24 i+* Re: yes!76john larkin
16 Aug 24 ii+* Re: yes!5Edward Rawde
17 Aug 24 iii`* Re: yes!4john larkin
17 Aug 24 iii +- Re: yes!1Edward Rawde
17 Aug 24 iii `* Re: yes!2Jeroen Belleman
17 Aug 24 iii  `- Re: yes!1Martin Brown
16 Aug 24 ii`* Re: yes!70Martin Brown
17 Aug 24 ii +* Re: yes!50john larkin
17 Aug 24 ii i+* Re: yes!48Jan Panteltje
17 Aug 24 ii ii`* Re: yes!47john larkin
17 Aug 24 ii ii +* Re: yes!3Jan Panteltje
17 Aug 24 ii ii i`* Re: yes!2john larkin
18 Aug 24 ii ii i `- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
17 Aug 24 ii ii +- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
17 Aug 24 ii ii `* Re: yes!42Edward Rawde
17 Aug 24 ii ii  `* Re: yes!41john larkin
18 Aug 24 ii ii   `* Re: yes!40Bill Sloman
18 Aug 24 ii ii    `* Re: yes!39john larkin
19 Aug 24 ii ii     `* Re: yes!38Bill Sloman
19 Aug 24 ii ii      `* Re: yes!37john larkin
19 Aug 24 ii ii       +- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
20 Aug 24 ii ii       `* Re: yes!35john larkin
20 Aug 24 ii ii        `* Re: yes!34Edward Rawde
20 Aug 24 ii ii         +* Re: yes!32john larkin
20 Aug 24 ii ii         i+* Re: yes!22Edward Rawde
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii`* Re: yes!21john larkin
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii `* Re: yes!20Edward Rawde
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii  `* Re: yes!19john larkin
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii   `* Re: yes!18Edward Rawde
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii    `* Re: yes!17Phil Hobbs
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii     `* Re: yes!16Martin Brown
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii      `* Re: yes!15john larkin
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii       +* Re: yes!2Edward Rawde
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii       i`- Re: yes!1Jan Panteltje
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii       +- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii       `* Re: yes!11Jan Panteltje
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        +* Re: yes!8john larkin
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i`* Re: yes!7Jan Panteltje
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i +* Re: yes!2john larkin
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i i`- Re: yes!1Jeroen Belleman
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i `* Re: yes!4Edward Rawde
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i  +- Re: yes!1john larkin
22 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i  `* Re: yes!2Jan Panteltje
22 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        i   `- Re: yes!1Edward Rawde
22 Aug 24 ii ii         ii        `* Re: yes!2Gerhard Hoffmann
22 Aug 24 ii ii         ii         `- Re: yes!1Jan Panteltje
20 Aug 24 ii ii         i+* Re: yes!6Bill Sloman
20 Aug 24 ii ii         ii`* Re: yes!5Edward Rawde
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii `* Re: yes!4john larkin
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii  `* Re: yes!3Jeroen Belleman
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii   +- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
21 Aug 24 ii ii         ii   `- Re: yes!1Edward Rawde
20 Aug 24 ii ii         i`* Re: yes!3Joe Gwinn
21 Aug 24 ii ii         i `* Re: yes!2john larkin
21 Aug 24 ii ii         i  `- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
20 Aug 24 ii ii         `- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
17 Aug 24 ii i`- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
17 Aug 24 ii `* Re: yes!19john larkin
17 Aug 24 ii  +- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
17 Aug 24 ii  +- Re: yes!1Joe Gwinn
17 Aug 24 ii  `* Re: yes!16Martin Brown
18 Aug 24 ii   `* Re: yes!15john larkin
18 Aug 24 ii    `* Re: yes!14Bill Sloman
18 Aug 24 ii     `* Re: yes!13john larkin
18 Aug 24 ii      +* Re: yes!3Edward Rawde
18 Aug 24 ii      i`* Re: yes!2john larkin
19 Aug 24 ii      i `- Re: yes!1Bill Sloman
19 Aug 24 ii      `* Re: yes!9Bill Sloman
19 Aug 24 ii       `* Re: yes!8Jan Panteltje
19 Aug 24 ii        `* Re: yes!7john larkin
19 Aug 24 ii         +* Re: yes!3Phil Hobbs
19 Aug 24 ii         i`* Re: yes!2john larkin
19 Aug 24 ii         i `- Re: yes!1Phil Hobbs
19 Aug 24 ii         `* Re: yes!3Joe Gwinn
19 Aug 24 ii          `* Re: yes!2john larkin
19 Aug 24 ii           `- Re: yes!1Joe Gwinn
16 Aug 24 i+- Re: yes!1Joe Gwinn
16 Aug 24 i`- Re: yes!1Edward Rawde
19 Aug 24 `- Re: yes!1Sylvia Else

Haut de la page

Les messages affichés proviennent d'usenet.

NewsPortal