Re: Guard Traces

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Sujet : Re: Guard Traces
De : jlarkin_highland_tech (at) *nospam* nirgendwo (john larkin)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design
Date : 26. Aug 2024, 16:56:05
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On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 12:44:31 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

Anyone still believe in 'em?

Sometimes, they make sense.

For picoamp or femtoamp measurements, an actively driven guard can
reduce surface leakage errors. Or reduce capacitive coupling from
other traces.

Sometimes two fast signals might crosstalk, so a grounded guard trace
between them helps, and can make both traces into matched-impedance
coplanar waveguide.  Lots of vias on the guard, of course.

Either case is rare.

I suppose there is a planar trace geometry with a ground on one side,
a lopsided CPW. That would be fairly dispersive, which is I guess why
it doesn't have a name. We occasionally use ATLC to analyze such
impedances, but it doesn't calculate dispersion.

Last year I designed a low-jitter triggered 50 MHz LC oscillator. FR4
is about the world's worst capacitor (tempco around +900 PPM) so I
needed to reduce the capacitance of the critical node. I did a proto
PCB, and one version had a layer 2 actively driven guard, as a pour
under the region. That didn't work well, the way I did it.




Date Sujet#  Auteur
26 Aug 24 * Guard Traces9Cursitor Doom
26 Aug 24 +* Re: Guard Traces5Liz Tuddenham
26 Aug 24 i`* Re: Guard Traces4Cursitor Doom
26 Aug 24 i +- Re: Guard Traces1Jan Panteltje
26 Aug 24 i `* Re: Guard Traces2Liz Tuddenham
27 Aug 24 i  `- Re: Guard Traces1john larkin
26 Aug 24 +- Re: Guard Traces1Phil Hobbs
26 Aug 24 +- Re: Guard Traces1john larkin
27 Aug 24 `- Re: Guard Traces1Bill Sloman

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