Re: Exploding pagers

On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 07:42:35 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:32:53 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:01:07 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
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On 2024-09-18 01:32, john larkin wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 19:03:45 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
 

On 9/17/2024 6:39 PM, john larkin wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:18:26 -0500, Crash Gordon <uucp@crashelex.com>
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Pagers, even with a cheap LiPo battery that fails, do not explode.
Somebody built hundreds, maybe thousands, of intentionally booby-trapped
pagers and then managed to distribute them to a large group of targeted
individuals.
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This absolutely screams "state actor" but all of the states that would
be capable of pulling it off have disavowed any connection, as would be
expected.
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Posting is on-topic for s.e.d because these things had to be *designed*.
   Targets can be expected to cross security boundaries so these pagers
had to look like normal pagers under X-ray, and had to not "smell" like
explosives.  Putting aside, for sake of discussion, the horror of the
device itself and the evil necessary to conceive and deploy it, one has
to on some level, admire the skill required to manage it.

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It's assumed that the Israelis booby-trapped the batch of pagers that
were bought by Hezbollah. Fiendishly clever.

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They probably got a few militants among the thousands of civilians
injured, only credulous Americans would believe there was any kind of
highly rigorous methodology as to how they were distributed.

 
I understand that Hezbollah bought the pagers for their own use for
secure communications, so Hezbollah people mostly got them.
 
Collateral damage is to some extent inevitable in war, but the
Israelis are not terrorists. Hamas and Hezbollah are.

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Israelis invented terrorism when they planted a bomb in the King David Hotel
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
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But discussing any of that is off topic in this group.

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There are many definitions of terrorism:
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.<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism>
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Joe Gwinn

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Does that include slaughtering and raping people at a concert?

I don't have the energy to check all those definitions, but one would
think that the concert is clearly terrorism, not just collateral
damage.  But the original question concerned collateral damage, as
discussed in another posting.

Joe Gwinn