Re: Random thoughts on sinewave oscillators

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Sujet : Re: Random thoughts on sinewave oscillators
De : invalid (at) *nospam* invalid.invalid (Edward Rawde)
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Date : 18. Oct 2024, 23:58:43
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"Jeroen Belleman" <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in message news:veumn5$3fbqu$1@dont-email.me...
On 10/18/24 23:19, Edward Rawde wrote:
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 15:59:09 -0400, Edward Rawde wrote:
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 14:20:48 -0400, Edward Rawde wrote:
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:47:02 -0400, Edward Rawde wrote:
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 11:25:19 -0400, Edward Rawde wrote:
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Edward Rawde <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
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Without doubt, it's the trickiest aspect of the design. Definitely do-able
though. Let us know how you get on.
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Ok. This simple circuit is based on the circuit you can find here.
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https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/697687/how-to-control-the-amplitude-of-a-wien-bridge-oscillator
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It produces a something wave.
I wouldn't call it sine but at least it's not clipping.
What's going on here?
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Version 4
[Snip...]
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You're hitting the flat portion of the Id vs. Vds curve around the
top of the wave. In that region the dynamic resistance of the FET
is very large, and therefore the gain of the opamp drops to about
one. As a result, the positive tip of the output gets sort-of
squashed.
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There are probably ways to fix this, for example by feeding a
portion of the output signal to the FET gate, but a quick
attempt I made didn't work very well. This is why FETs aren't so
great as gain setting elements.
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Using a lightbulb --or more generally a PTC resistor-- for R7 is
really hard to beat.

Ok thanks Jeroen.

It looks like the best approach for the gain control is either a filament or something like that used in the document Bill Sloman
posted.

https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/application-notes/AN132f.pdf

Either that or an analog multiplier of some sort.


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Jeroen Belleman
 



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16 Oct 24 * Random thoughts on sinewave oscillators55Edward Rawde
17 Oct 24 +* Re: Random thoughts on sinewave oscillators46piglet
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20 Oct 24 i      i   ii       `* Re: Random thoughts on sinewave oscillators6Edward Rawde
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21 Oct 24 i      i   ii         +- Re: Random thoughts on sinewave oscillators1Edward Rawde
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18 Oct 24 i`- Re: Random thoughts on sinewave oscillators1Edward Rawde
18 Oct 24 +* Re: Random thoughts on sinewave oscillators5Liz Tuddenham
18 Oct 24 i`* Re: Random thoughts on sinewave oscillators4john larkin
18 Oct 24 i +* Re: Random thoughts on sinewave oscillators2Cursitor Doom
18 Oct 24 i i`- Re: Random thoughts on sinewave oscillators1john larkin
19 Oct 24 i `- Re: Random thoughts on sinewave oscillators1Bill Sloman
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