Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator

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Sujet : Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator
De : bill.sloman (at) *nospam* ieee.org (Bill Sloman)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design
Date : 23. Oct 2024, 03:28:01
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On 23/10/2024 1:12 am, Edward Rawde wrote:
"Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:vf7slm$1e357$1@dont-email.me...
On 22/10/2024 4:10 pm, Edward Rawde wrote:
But I suspect that component tolerances and mismatched FETs will ruin it.
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Otherwise it should be easy to get 60dB down on unwanted harmonics with a better filter.
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FWIW I likely won't be here for the next week.
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My message was that the current sucked out of U2 through D1 and D2 was a narrow spike, peaking at 0.3mA and repeating at 1kHz,
which distorted the voltage at the output of U2.
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Your revised circuit persists with this mistake, and the filter you've added around U1 doesn't do enough to compensate.
 That's what I thought you'd say, because there are now two spikes, but it does seem to reduce distortion.
Two spikes inject even more high frequency harmonics into the circuit as a whole. Some of them may cancel.

So I'd leave it in any experimental prototype and take the decision to remove it if real testing shows it's not sufficiently
beneficial.
There are other ways of measuring the amplitude of the output, and most of them inject less high frequency hash into the power supplies. Injecting high frequency hash into the op amp that is generating the "high purity sine wave" if particulary silly.

The filter can be redesigned when a real circuit is tested. I didn't have time to do a more elaborate active filter.
Active filters can have nasty problems when the noise they are being asked to reject is at a frequency where the op amp doesn't have much gain.

Using two FETs as your adjustable resistance does seem to get rid of the even-order harmonics, but it doesn't make enough
difference to be worth the effort.
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I do worry about component tolerances, and they won't make much difference to the circuit. Neither will mismatched FETs. The
capacitative feedthough via the gate into the FET conduction channels is probably more of a worry, and that's built into the
LTSpice FET model.
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Bad layout can wreck pretty much any well-designed circuit, let alone badly designed ones. My professional career included a bit
of cleaning up such layouts.
 I've had management think that a "proper" layout will turn a badly designed prototype circuit into something which does not need to
be redesigned.
I've had some daft managers, but none of them was that daft.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Date Sujet#  Auteur
22 Oct 24 * High purity 1kHz oscillator37Edward Rawde
22 Oct 24 +* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator7Bill Sloman
22 Oct 24 i`* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator6Edward Rawde
22 Oct 24 i +* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator4john larkin
22 Oct 24 i i+- Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator1Edward Rawde
23 Oct 24 i i+- Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator1Bill Sloman
22 Nov 24 i i`- Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator1Waldek Hebisch
23 Oct 24 i `- Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator1Bill Sloman
22 Oct 24 +* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator5Edward Rawde
23 Oct 24 i+- Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator1legg
24 Oct 24 i`* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator3Bill Sloman
24 Oct 24 i `* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator2legg
25 Oct 24 i  `- Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator1Bill Sloman
23 Oct 24 +* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator15JM
24 Oct 24 i`* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator14JM
24 Oct 24 i `* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator13JM
25 Oct 24 i  `* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator12Bill Sloman
25 Oct 24 i   `* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator11Bill Sloman
25 Oct 24 i    `* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator10JM
25 Oct 24 i     `* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator9JM
25 Oct 24 i      `* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator8Bill Sloman
25 Oct 24 i       `* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator7JM
25 Oct 24 i        `* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator6Bill Sloman
25 Oct 24 i         `* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator5JM
26 Oct 24 i          `* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator4Bill Sloman
26 Oct 24 i           `* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator3JM
26 Oct 24 i            `* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator2Bill Sloman
29 Oct 24 i             `- Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator1Bill Sloman
23 Oct 24 `* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator9john larkin
24 Oct 24  `* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator8Bill Sloman
24 Oct 24   `* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator7john larkin
24 Oct 24    +* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator5Liz Tuddenham
24 Oct 24    i`* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator4John R Walliker
25 Oct 24    i `* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator3john larkin
25 Oct 24    i  `* Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator2Phil Hobbs
25 Oct 24    i   `- Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator1john larkin
25 Oct 24    `- Re: High purity 1kHz oscillator1Bill Sloman

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