Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end

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Sujet : Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end
De : JL (at) *nospam* gct.com (john larkin)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design
Date : 10. Nov 2024, 16:42:35
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 09:33:05 -0500, Ralph Mowery
<rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

In article <1r2sqh1.puusef1eope1aN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid says...
 
 
Tubes are noisy. There are MMICS with NFs below 1 dB.
 
There are quiet valves (Nuvistors) and noisy transistors (many),
engineering is a matter of chosing the right ones or using them in a way
which minimises the noise or makes it less significant in the overall
design.
 
 
>
Once you get above say 100 MHz the tubes that are common do not have the
noise figure of very cheap solid state devices.  A nuvistor at 150 MHz
will do good to prodce a noise figure of 3 dB.  A cheap fet like a U310
will have a noise figure of less than 2 dB and the power supply will be
much cheaper to build. Going to cheap gasfets get you to under 1 dB of
noise figure.  At this time I just do not see why anyone would want to
use tubes in a receiver above 50 MHz if they want a sensitive receiver. 
>
Years ago I had an Ameco receive converter for 2 meters.  It used
nuvistor tubes.  Worked fine but I put a u310 fet preamp on it and it
was noticable beter.

A cheap MMIC from MiniCircuits will get down to 1 dB, and it's 4 pins,
in  out  2 grounds,  fabulously simple.

I use their MMICS in time domain, as pulse amplifiers.  Most - not all
- work fine down to DC.  As is some Federal law with RF parts, the DC
specs are absurd so you have to characterize them yourself.


Date Sujet#  Auteur
9 Nov 24 * Grounded grid VHF front-end62Liz Tuddenham
9 Nov 24 +* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end36john larkin
9 Nov 24 i`* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end35Liz Tuddenham
9 Nov 24 i `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end34Cursitor Doom
9 Nov 24 i  +* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end22john larkin
9 Nov 24 i  i`* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end21Cursitor Doom
9 Nov 24 i  i +* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end8Liz Tuddenham
10 Nov 24 i  i i+- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Jan Panteltje
10 Nov 24 i  i i`* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end6Cursitor Doom
10 Nov 24 i  i i `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end5Jan Panteltje
10 Nov 24 i  i i  `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end4Edward Rawde
11 Nov 24 i  i i   +- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Jan Panteltje
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19 Nov 24 i  i i    `- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Jan Panteltje
9 Nov 24 i  i +* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end6Joe Gwinn
10 Nov 24 i  i i`* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end5Dan Green
10 Nov 24 i  i i `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end4john larkin
10 Nov 24 i  i i  `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end3Liz Tuddenham
10 Nov 24 i  i i   `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end2Ralph Mowery
10 Nov 24 i  i i    `- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1john larkin
9 Nov 24 i  i `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end6Phil Hobbs
10 Nov 24 i  i  +- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Liz Tuddenham
10 Nov 24 i  i  +- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Ralph Mowery
10 Nov 24 i  i  `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end3piglet
10 Nov 24 i  i   +- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1john larkin
10 Nov 24 i  i   `- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Cursitor Doom
9 Nov 24 i  `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end11Liz Tuddenham
10 Nov 24 i   `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end10john larkin
10 Nov 24 i    `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end9Liz Tuddenham
10 Nov 24 i     `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end8john larkin
10 Nov 24 i      `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end7Liz Tuddenham
10 Nov 24 i       `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end6john larkin
10 Nov 24 i        +* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end4Cursitor Doom
10 Nov 24 i        i+* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end2john larkin
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11 Nov 24 i        i`- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Jan Panteltje
10 Nov 24 i        `- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Liz Tuddenham
10 Nov 24 +* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end23Jan Panteltje
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10 Nov 24 i`* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end21Cursitor Doom
10 Nov 24 i `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end20Jan Panteltje
10 Nov 24 i  `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end19Cursitor Doom
10 Nov 24 i   `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end18Jan Panteltje
10 Nov 24 i    +* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end3Cursitor Doom
11 Nov 24 i    i`* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end2Jan Panteltje
11 Nov 24 i    i `- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Cursitor Doom
17 Nov 24 i    `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end14Waldek Hebisch
17 Nov 24 i     `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end13Jan Panteltje
17 Nov 24 i      `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end12Waldek Hebisch
17 Nov 24 i       +* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end6Jan Panteltje
17 Nov 24 i       i`* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end5Waldek Hebisch
18 Nov 24 i       i `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end4Jan Panteltje
18 Nov 24 i       i  `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end3Waldek Hebisch
18 Nov 24 i       i   `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end2Jan Panteltje
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17 Nov 24 i       `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end5john larkin
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