Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end

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Sujet : Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end
De : nospam (at) *nospam* b-howie.co.uk (brian)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design
Date : 11. Nov 2024, 15:14:39
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In message <1r2rj8l.msi28f14weovyN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>, Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> writes
My current receiving aerial system is very inefficient at 2 metres (144
Mc/s) and I have thought about making a sleeve dipole for that band.  My
VHF receiver is an Eddystone 770R, which covers the band but only in a
small portion of the whole scale.  While I am improvomg the aerial
system, I could also make a crystal-controlled down-converter, that
would allow me to use an HF communications receiver or the lower ranges
of the 770R, so that the  band 2 Mc/s wide would cover a much greater
scale length.
>
It's been a few years since I designed anything with valves, so I
thought I might have a go at making a down-converter using valves - but
not necessarily the expensive 'cult' ones which everyone seems to regard
as having magical powers.  The EF91 is plentiful and cheap as New Old
Stock, so that seems like a good valve to start playing about with.
>
The EF91 was used as an RF amplifier in the input stages of television
sets working at about 45 Mc/s, so it can't have too bad a noise figure
(although Mullard don't quote one in their data sheet).  If I
triode-strapped it and ran it in grounded grid mode, that would reduce
the noise and increase the maximum frequency it could usefully amplify.
From the data sheet, with 200v on anode and grid 2 and an anode current
of 6mA, the gm is about 6mA/V, which gives an input impedance at the
cathode of  160 ohms.  A 75-ohm feeder could be matched to this with a
Pi tank or by tapping the L or the C of an input tumed circuit.
>
The voltage gain may not be as high in this configuration as in grounded
cathode mode, but it allows the valve to be triode strapped for low
noise without instability problems or the dependence on neutralising
that a cascode stage would have (especially the need for correct
neutralising to obtain the best noise figure).  If I also use an EF91 as
a mixer, I might need one more stage of RF gain to get the signal up to
a level where the mixer noise is negligible - but this isn't such a bad
thing because it would allow extra tuned circuits to give better image
rejection and allow a lower output frquency if I wanted one.
>
Anyone with experience of doing something like this with valves?
>
>
I built a 2metre down converter in 1971. It used an E88CC ( gold pins!) cascode grounded grid  front end followed  by an ECC81 mixer. Another ECC81 was used as xtal Local Oscillator/multiplier.
I still have it.
The design was in UK publication Practical Wireless. I had quick look on World Radio History to see if I could find it , but no joy.  Similar designs might be available.
Brian
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Brian Howie

Date Sujet#  Auteur
9 Nov 24 * Grounded grid VHF front-end62Liz Tuddenham
9 Nov 24 +* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end36john larkin
9 Nov 24 i`* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end35Liz Tuddenham
9 Nov 24 i `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end34Cursitor Doom
9 Nov 24 i  +* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end22john larkin
9 Nov 24 i  i`* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end21Cursitor Doom
9 Nov 24 i  i +* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end8Liz Tuddenham
10 Nov 24 i  i i+- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Jan Panteltje
10 Nov 24 i  i i`* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end6Cursitor Doom
10 Nov 24 i  i i `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end5Jan Panteltje
10 Nov 24 i  i i  `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end4Edward Rawde
11 Nov 24 i  i i   +- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Jan Panteltje
19 Nov 24 i  i i   `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end2Waldek Hebisch
19 Nov 24 i  i i    `- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Jan Panteltje
9 Nov 24 i  i +* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end6Joe Gwinn
10 Nov 24 i  i i`* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end5Dan Green
10 Nov 24 i  i i `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end4john larkin
10 Nov 24 i  i i  `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end3Liz Tuddenham
10 Nov 24 i  i i   `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end2Ralph Mowery
10 Nov 24 i  i i    `- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1john larkin
10 Nov 24 i  i `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end6Phil Hobbs
10 Nov 24 i  i  +- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Liz Tuddenham
10 Nov 24 i  i  +- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Ralph Mowery
10 Nov 24 i  i  `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end3piglet
10 Nov 24 i  i   +- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1john larkin
10 Nov 24 i  i   `- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Cursitor Doom
9 Nov 24 i  `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end11Liz Tuddenham
10 Nov 24 i   `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end10john larkin
10 Nov 24 i    `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end9Liz Tuddenham
10 Nov 24 i     `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end8john larkin
10 Nov 24 i      `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end7Liz Tuddenham
10 Nov 24 i       `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end6john larkin
10 Nov 24 i        +* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end4Cursitor Doom
10 Nov 24 i        i+* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end2john larkin
10 Nov 24 i        ii`- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Cursitor Doom
11 Nov 24 i        i`- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Jan Panteltje
10 Nov 24 i        `- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Liz Tuddenham
10 Nov 24 +* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end23Jan Panteltje
10 Nov 24 i+- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Jan Panteltje
10 Nov 24 i`* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end21Cursitor Doom
10 Nov 24 i `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end20Jan Panteltje
10 Nov 24 i  `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end19Cursitor Doom
10 Nov 24 i   `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end18Jan Panteltje
10 Nov 24 i    +* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end3Cursitor Doom
11 Nov 24 i    i`* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end2Jan Panteltje
12 Nov 24 i    i `- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Cursitor Doom
17 Nov 24 i    `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end14Waldek Hebisch
17 Nov 24 i     `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end13Jan Panteltje
17 Nov 24 i      `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end12Waldek Hebisch
17 Nov 24 i       +* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end6Jan Panteltje
17 Nov 24 i       i`* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end5Waldek Hebisch
18 Nov 24 i       i `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end4Jan Panteltje
18 Nov 24 i       i  `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end3Waldek Hebisch
18 Nov 24 i       i   `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end2Jan Panteltje
18 Nov 24 i       i    `- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Waldek Hebisch
17 Nov 24 i       `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end5john larkin
17 Nov 24 i        +* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end2JM
17 Nov 24 i        i`- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1john larkin
18 Nov 24 i        `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end2Waldek Hebisch
19 Nov 24 i         `- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1john larkin
11 Nov 24 `* Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end2brian
11 Nov 24  `- Re: Grounded grid VHF front-end1Liz Tuddenham

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