Re: battery fire

On 18/01/2025 9:12 am, john larkin wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 20:58:41 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
 

On 1/17/25 18:49, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 07:03:06 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
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https://sfstandard.com/2025/01/16/moss-landing-power-plant-fire-evacuations-highway-1/?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=gnews&utm_campaign=CDAqEAgAKgcICjDWi6sLMNOWwwMwpvnXAw&utm_content=rundown
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Sounds expensive.
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Windmills, solar cells, batteries. May not be worth it long term.
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Luckily, the wind is not blowing the crud our way right now.

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Lithium technology really isn't up to the job. Someone needs to come
up with a quantum leap forward in batteries. A fortune awaits the
person or team which can deliver on this. And I mean a *fortune*.

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It's funny how 'quantum leap' has come to be taken for a
huge change, although it originally really meant the tiniest
possible change.
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High energy density batteries will always be dangerous.
It's the inevitable consequence of storing a lot of energy
in a small package. A tank full of fuel is really much
safer. What we really need is an efficient flow battery,
where reactive components are kept apart until needed.
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Jeroen Belleman

 Natural gas is great stuff. Burns clean with half the CO2 of coal.
 It's easy to store locally, and the pipelines store more. And there's
gobs underground and people keep finding more.
 Small-scale NG power plants are practical and reliable and elimniate
gigantic transmission lines and battery banks.
 But 2:1 isn't acceptable to greenies.

It's unacceptable for the planet. We really do have to get our CO2 emissions down further than we can get by just switching from coal to natural gas. John Larkin's preferred informant - climate change denial propaganda - doesn't mention this, so he's unaware of it.

Let them freeze in the dark
unemployed for a while and maybe they will reconsider.

There's no necessity for that. Solar and wind power backed up by battery storage are perfectly capable of powering an advanced industrial economy. Getting there means investing a lot of capital, but not as much as you'd need to invest in keeping to keep the coal- and oil-fired economy running. It's a no-brainer, but if you've out-sourced your thinking to fossil carbon extraction industry you won't be aware of it.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney