Re: Current mirror version of the lowish distortion 1kHz sine wave osillator

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Sujet : Re: Current mirror version of the lowish distortion 1kHz sine wave osillator
De : invalid (at) *nospam* invalid.invalid (Edward Rawde)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design
Date : 21. Jan 2025, 17:08:46
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"Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:vmninh$3t6oi$1@dont-email.me...
On 21/01/2025 2:19 am, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 15/01/2025 11:33 pm, Bill Sloman wrote:
This just reworks my circuit to use a controllable asymmetric current mirror instead of the FET for gain control. I take the
feedback from the full wave rectifier and switch every half-cycle to reconstruct a variable amplitude sine wave to control the
output amplitude. It does use a lot of components, but it strikes me as fairly comprehensible.
>
R30 isn't a real part - it's just there to let me do an FFT on the correction signal.
>
The circuit just copes with worst case capacitors - 15.15nF and 14.85nF - at C5 and C6, as it was intended to do. Using a trim
pot to take out component tolerances would let you get away with a smaller correction signal injecting smaller doses of the odd
harmonics.
>
The circuit does cry out for monolithic dual transisors.The On-Semi
NST45010MW6T1G pnp and the
NST45011MW6T1G npn parts are cheap and widely available.
>
There was a dumb error in the original circuit. The two transistor switch (Q5 and Q6 in the original circuit) that turned the
full wave rectified waveform back into a sine wave was set up with very little headroom. It didn't stop the circuit from working
as intended after it had settled down, but it made start-up a bit tricky.
>
Here's the corrected version. It's performance isn't noticeably different
>
I've taken Edward Rawles commnents to heart,but I suspect he has inadvertently corrected the circuit into something that simulates
a lot slower that the circuit I'm looking at, which runs at about 30msec/sec.
>
I've corrected the right transistor to Q6. I've played with the text file in an attempt deal with the line feeds.
>
U1 is an LT1360 and Linear Technology's LTSpice should know all about that. The relevant lines in the file are
>
"SYMBOL Opamps\LT1360 208 -1248 R0
SYMATTR InstName U1"
>
The BAS70L model file below is
>
TEXT -2232 -1200 Left 2 !.MODEL BAS70L D
\n+ IS = 3.22E-9
\n+ N = 1.018
\n+ BV = 77 \n+ IBV = 1.67E-7
\n+ RS = 20.89
\n+ CJO = 1.608E-12
\n+ VJ = 0.3891
\n+ M = 0.3683
\n+ FC = 0.5
\n+ EG = 0.69
\n+ XTI = 2
\n.ENDS
>
The \n+ character string does seem to be the way WordPad deals with line wraps in the .asc file.

It's been many years since I forgot that WordPad even exists.
Get yourself a real editor: https://notepad-plus-plus.org/
I use it for editing files on both Windows and Linux (Over WinSCP).
It may be worth noting that WordPad (which I just opened for the first time in seems like centuries) has a No wrap option under Word
wrap.
I'd set it to No wrap before pasting it into a post.

Deleting .ENDS from the end of the model string may be one way of keepig LTSpice happy, but it probably isn't the right one.

Then please tell us what the right way is when you get to testing LTSpice 24.1.0

>

Make new folder Sloman 21 Jan 2025
Make a new text file in the folder and rename it sloman.asc
Copy all relevant lines from post starting with Version 4
Open asc file with Notepad++ and paste lines.
Search for Elektronik
Fix 9 line wraps.
Save file and attempt to open it in LTSpice 24.0.12
Get error with \n+ IS = 3.22E-9 line.
Open asc file with Notepad++
Fix about 15 more line wraps with lines starting with \n and a few other lines.
Note \ characters in line beginning with TEXT -336 -528 Left 2 these are not present in yesterday's file.
Successfully open LTSpice to view a schematic.
Note that U1 (LT1360) is displaced upwards such that the output is pointing at the centre of the letter B in the adjacent BAS70L
Move U1 down so everything except + power is connected.
Note that U1 + power wire ends about one resistor length above the U1 symbol.
Connect U1 + power.
Start simulation and click on Vout.
Note simulation speed of about 20us/s

Stop simulation, Save file, Close LTSpice.
Open asc file with Notepad++
Check that Word wrap is off and set EOL to Windows (CR LF). Save file.
Open file with LTSpice. Schematic opens with no apparent issue and simulation runs at 20us/s. Close file.
Open asc file with Notepad++. Edit, Select all, Copy.
Paste into this post below.
Note that \ characters in TEXT -336 -528 Left 2 line have now become \
Examine post after sending and make another post.

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SYMATTR Value 1000n
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SYMBOL cap -752 -1984 R0
WINDOW 0 -60 15 Left 2
WINDOW 3 -62 54 Left 2
SYMATTR InstName C7
SYMATTR Value 100n
SYMBOL FerriteBead -736 -2352 R0
SYMATTR InstName L3
SYMATTR Value 1000n
SYMATTR SpiceLine Ipk=0.2 Rser=0.562 Rpar=750 Cpar=350f mfg="W�rth Elektronik" pn="782422601 WE-CBA 0402"
SYMBOL FerriteBead -656 -896 R0
SYMATTR InstName L9
SYMATTR Value 1000n
SYMATTR SpiceLine Ipk=0.2 Rser=0.562 Rpar=750 Cpar=350f mfg="W�rth Elektronik" pn="782422601 WE-CBA 0402"
SYMBOL cap -864 -1152 R0
WINDOW 0 -60 15 Left 2
WINDOW 3 -62 54 Left 2
SYMATTR InstName C23
SYMATTR Value 100n
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WINDOW 0 27 56 VTop 2
WINDOW 3 5 56 VBottom 2
SYMATTR InstName R26
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SYMATTR SpiceLine tol=1
SYMBOL res -768 -1808 R90
WINDOW 0 0 56 VBottom 2
WINDOW 3 32 56 VTop 2
SYMATTR InstName R5
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SYMATTR SpiceLine tol=1
SYMBOL cap -784 -1648 R90
WINDOW 0 0 32 VBottom 2
WINDOW 3 32 32 VTop 2
SYMATTR InstName C19
SYMATTR Value 10p
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SYMATTR InstName L5
SYMATTR Value 1000n
SYMATTR SpiceLine Ipk=0.2 Rser=0.562 Rpar=750 Cpar=350f mfg="W�rth Elektronik" pn="782422601 WE-CBA 0402"
SYMBOL FerriteBead 208 -2352 R0
SYMATTR InstName L6
SYMATTR Value 1000n
SYMATTR SpiceLine Ipk=0.2 Rser=0.562 Rpar=750 Cpar=350f mfg="W�rth Elektronik" pn="782422601 WE-CBA 0402"
SYMBOL cap 320 -1968 R0
WINDOW 0 -60 15 Left 2
WINDOW 3 -62 54 Left 2
SYMATTR InstName C20
SYMATTR Value 100n
SYMBOL cap -96 -816 R0
WINDOW 0 -60 15 Left 2
WINDOW 3 -62 54 Left 2
SYMATTR InstName C22
SYMATTR Value 100n
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SYMATTR InstName U4
SYMBOL cap -64 -1824 R90
WINDOW 0 0 32 VBottom 2
WINDOW 3 32 32 VTop 2
SYMATTR InstName C9
SYMATTR Value 10p
SYMBOL FerriteBead 576 -1936 R0
SYMATTR InstName L13
SYMATTR Value 1000n
SYMATTR SpiceLine Ipk=0.2 Rser=0.562 Rpar=750 Cpar=350f mfg="W�rth Elektronik" pn="782422601 WE-CBA 0402"
SYMBOL cap 704 -1088 R90
WINDOW 0 0 32 VBottom 2
WINDOW 3 32 32 VTop 2
SYMATTR InstName C13
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WINDOW 0 0 56 VBottom 2
WINDOW 3 32 56 VTop 2
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WINDOW 0 0 56 VBottom 2
WINDOW 3 32 56 VTop 2
SYMATTR InstName R8
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SYMATTR InstName R13
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SYMBOL cap 1312 -1392 R0
SYMATTR InstName C3
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SYMBOL cap 1056 -1856 R0
SYMATTR InstName C12
SYMATTR Value 18n
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WINDOW 0 0 56 VBottom 2
WINDOW 3 32 56 VTop 2
SYMATTR InstName R14
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SYMATTR InstName U6
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WINDOW 0 32 56 VTop 2
WINDOW 3 0 56 VBottom 2
SYMATTR InstName R15
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SYMBOL res 2048 -1840 R90
WINDOW 0 0 56 VBottom 2
WINDOW 3 32 56 VTop 2
SYMATTR InstName R16
SYMATTR Value 14k
SYMBOL cap 1728 -1872 R0
SYMATTR InstName C14
SYMATTR Value 18n
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WINDOW 0 0 56 VBottom 2
WINDOW 3 32 56 VTop 2
SYMATTR InstName R17
SYMATTR Value 14k
SYMBOL Opamps\LT1013 2064 -1648 R0
SYMATTR InstName U7
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WINDOW 0 32 56 VTop 2
WINDOW 3 0 56 VBottom 2
SYMATTR InstName R18
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SYMBOL res 1888 -1408 R0
SYMATTR InstName R19
SYMATTR Value 56k
SYMBOL cap 1984 -1344 R0
SYMATTR InstName C24
SYMATTR Value 18n
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SYMATTR InstName Q1
SYMATTR Value 2N5089
SYMBOL npn -1712 -1008 M0
SYMATTR InstName Q2
SYMATTR Value 2N5089
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WINDOW 0 0 56 VBottom 2
WINDOW 3 32 56 VTop 2
SYMATTR InstName R9
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SYMBOL res 2416 -1728 R0
SYMATTR InstName R28
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SYMBOL Opamps\LT1115 -656 -1472 R0
SYMATTR InstName U3
SYMBOL Opamps\LT1115 -176 -1584 R0
SYMATTR InstName U8
SYMBOL cap 320 -1376 R90
WINDOW 0 0 32 VBottom 2
WINDOW 3 32 32 VTop 2
SYMATTR InstName C2
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SYMBOL res -1792 -848 R0
SYMATTR InstName R7
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SYMBOL pnp -1840 -1632 M180
WINDOW 3 84 0 Left 2
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SYMATTR InstName Q3
SYMBOL res -1792 -1984 R0
SYMATTR InstName R11
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SYMBOL res -1632 -1920 R0
SYMATTR InstName R21
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SYMBOL pnp -1296 -1824 R180
WINDOW 3 84 0 Left 2
SYMATTR Value 2N5087
SYMATTR InstName Q7
SYMBOL pnp -1264 -1824 M180
WINDOW 0 57 29 Left 2
WINDOW 3 60 62 Left 2
SYMATTR InstName Q8
SYMATTR Value 2N5087
SYMBOL res -448 -1328 R270
WINDOW 0 27 56 VTop 2
WINDOW 3 5 56 VBottom 2
SYMATTR InstName R23
SYMATTR Value 10k
SYMATTR SpiceLine tol=1
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SYMATTR InstName R6
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SYMBOL res -1216 -2128 R0
SYMATTR InstName R24
SYMATTR Value 1.5k
SYMBOL pnp -1264 -1680 M180
WINDOW 0 57 29 Left 2
WINDOW 3 60 62 Left 2
SYMATTR InstName Q9
SYMATTR Value 2N5087
SYMBOL npn -1504 -1200 R0
SYMATTR InstName Q10
SYMATTR Value 2N5089
SYMBOL res -1376 -2064 R0
SYMATTR InstName R27
SYMATTR Value 6.2
SYMBOL Opamps\LT1013 -1984 -1744 R0
SYMATTR InstName U9
SYMBOL res -560 -1744 R0
SYMATTR InstName R20
SYMATTR Value 120
SYMBOL Opamps\LT1056A 3264 -1088 R0
SYMATTR InstName U10
SYMBOL res 3136 -1328 R0
SYMATTR InstName R25
SYMATTR Value 10k
SYMBOL res 3136 -944 R0
SYMATTR InstName R29
SYMATTR Value 10k
SYMBOL res -976 -1632 R90
WINDOW 0 0 56 VBottom 2
WINDOW 3 32 56 VTop 2
SYMATTR InstName R30
SYMATTR Value 1
SYMATTR SpiceLine tol=1
SYMBOL res -1008 -1296 R0
SYMATTR InstName R31
SYMATTR Value 20k
SYMBOL res -1696 -2112 R0
SYMATTR InstName R32
SYMATTR Value 36k
SYMATTR SpiceLine tol=1
SYMBOL res -1696 -1344 R0
SYMATTR InstName R33
SYMATTR Value 18k
SYMBOL npn -1584 -1424 R0
SYMATTR InstName Q5
SYMATTR Value 2N5089
SYMBOL npn -1296 -1424 M0
SYMATTR InstName Q6
SYMATTR Value 2N5089
TEXT -2232 -1200 Left 2 !.MODEL BAS70L D \n+ IS = 3.22E-9 \n+ N = 1.018 \n+ BV = 77 \n+ IBV = 1.67E-7 \n+ RS = 20.89 \n+ CJO =
1.608E-12 \n+ VJ = 0.3891 \n+ M = 0.3683 \n+ FC = 0.5 \n+ EG = 0.69 \n+ XTI = 2 \n.ENDS
TEXT -336 -528 Left 2 ;\;R2 a,b,c, Vishay Beschlag  ACAS06S0830372P1AT precision 10k resistor \n at R1a, R1b \Maxim
MAX5492LB10000+T  10K resistive divider in a  SOT-23-5 package
TEXT -720 -464 Left 2 !.MODEL MMBF4391 NJF VTO=-4.6 BETA=0.02779  LAMBDA=0.00595 RD=1 RS=1 IS=1e-14 CGD=14p CGS=10.5p PB=1 B=1
KF=1e-18 AF=1 FC=0.5 mfg=Motorola
TEXT -1112 -464 Left 2 !.tran 0 10s 0s startup





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