Valve frequency multipliers

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Sujet : Valve frequency multipliers
De : liz (at) *nospam* poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design
Date : 31. Jan 2025, 14:51:25
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I am trying to use a 15 Mc/s crystal oscillator to generate a 150 Mc/s
signal, the obvious multiplication ratios are x5 and x2.   The 150 Mc/s
has to be distributed to two other units by a 120-ohm screened cable.

The whole thing must be done with the minimum number of valves and no
semiconductors.  The Colpitts-derived xtal oscillator is an EF91 and the
multiplier stage(s) can be either another EF91 or an ECC91. 

I have tried picking the x5 signal (75 Mc/s) off the anode of the
oscillator with a tuned circuit but can only get a couple of volts
pk/pk.  This isn't enough to drive the ECC91, which I  had hoped could
be used as a 'push-push' doubler, it also won't drive an EF91 over
enough of the curved portion of its characteristic to give sufficient
frequency-doubled signal.

Alternatively, I have tried using a parallel-tuned circuit at 15 Mc/s in
the anode of the xtal oscillator to drive one of the triodes of the
ECC91 which can then act as the multiplier.  There is a whopping great
15 Mc/s signal going into the grid of the triode (about 25v pk/pk) and,
with the cathode earthed, this develops enough grid-leak bias that the
valve is conducting anode pulses of over 20 mA about 10% of the time.

I would have thought that under those conditions the triode would have
given a large signal at 75 Mc/s in an anode circuit tuned to that
frequency - but it doesn't appear to.  I can't use the triodes as
straight earthed-cathode amplifiers at those frequencies because of the
Miller capacitance effect, but they should be perfectly satisfactory as
multipliers where the grid and anode circuits are  tuned to different
frequencies.

Does anyone know how to determine the optimum conditions for generating
the 5th and 2nd harmionics in valves?

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Date Sujet#  Auteur
31 Jan 25 * Valve frequency multipliers52Liz Tuddenham
31 Jan 25 +* Re: Valve frequency multipliers3john larkin
31 Jan 25 i+- Re: Valve frequency multipliers1Liz Tuddenham
1 Feb 25 i`- Re: Valve frequency multipliers1Cursitor Doom
1 Feb 25 +* Re: Valve frequency multipliers29Cursitor Doom
1 Feb 25 i`* Re: Valve frequency multipliers28john larkin
1 Feb 25 i +* Re: Valve frequency multipliers3Cursitor Doom
1 Feb 25 i i`* Re: Valve frequency multipliers2john larkin
1 Feb 25 i i `- Re: Valve frequency multipliers1Cursitor Doom
1 Feb 25 i `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers24Liz Tuddenham
1 Feb 25 i  +* Re: Valve frequency multipliers2Martin Brown
1 Feb 25 i  i`- Re: Valve frequency multipliers1Liz Tuddenham
1 Feb 25 i  +* Re: Valve frequency multipliers2legg
1 Feb 25 i  i`- Re: Valve frequency multipliers1Liz Tuddenham
1 Feb 25 i  `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers19john larkin
1 Feb 25 i   +* Re: Valve frequency multipliers12Liz Tuddenham
1 Feb 25 i   i+- Re: Valve frequency multipliers1john larkin
1 Feb 25 i   i`* Re: Valve frequency multipliers10Martin Brown
1 Feb 25 i   i `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers9john larkin
1 Feb 25 i   i  `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers8Liz Tuddenham
2 Feb 25 i   i   `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers7john larkin
2 Feb 25 i   i    `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers6Liz Tuddenham
2 Feb 25 i   i     `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers5Cursitor Doom
2 Feb 25 i   i      `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers4Phil Hobbs
2 Feb 25 i   i       +- Re: Valve frequency multipliers1Cursitor Doom
3 Feb 25 i   i       `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers2John S
4 Feb 25 i   i        `- Re: Valve frequency multipliers1john larkin
4 Feb 25 i   `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers6legg
4 Feb 25 i    +* Re: Valve frequency multipliers3john larkin
4 Feb 25 i    i`* Re: Valve frequency multipliers2Phil Hobbs
5 Feb 25 i    i `- Re: Valve frequency multipliers1john larkin
4 Feb 25 i    `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers2Tauno Voipio
5 Feb 25 i     `- Re: Valve frequency multipliers1legg
1 Feb 25 `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers19legg
1 Feb 25  +* Re: Valve frequency multipliers13Liz Tuddenham
2 Feb 25  i+* Re: Valve frequency multipliers5Tauno Voipio
2 Feb 25  ii`* Re: Valve frequency multipliers4Liz Tuddenham
3 Feb 25  ii `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers3Tauno Voipio
3 Feb 25  ii  `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers2Liz Tuddenham
3 Feb 25  ii   `- Re: Valve frequency multipliers1Tauno Voipio
4 Feb 25  i`* Re: Valve frequency multipliers7legg
4 Feb 25  i +- Re: Valve frequency multipliers1john larkin
4 Feb 25  i `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers5Liz Tuddenham
5 Feb 25  i  `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers4john larkin
5 Feb 25  i   `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers3John S
5 Feb 25  i    `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers2Liz Tuddenham
5 Feb 25  i     `- Re: Valve frequency multipliers1john larkin
9 Feb 25  `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers5Liz Tuddenham
9 Feb 25   +* Re: Valve frequency multipliers2Tauno Voipio
9 Feb 25   i`- Re: Valve frequency multipliers1Liz Tuddenham
10 Feb 25   `* Re: Valve frequency multipliers2legg
10 Feb 25    `- Re: Valve frequency multipliers1Liz Tuddenham

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