Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!

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Sujet : Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!
De : blockedofcourse (at) *nospam* foo.invalid (Don Y)
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Date : 15. Feb 2025, 18:53:37
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On 2/15/2025 3:07 AM, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
It was clearly aimed at the home market; he was supposed to be there to
talk about security in Europe and never even mentioned Ukraine.  All
We (US) are governed by "entertainers", now more than ever.  It is the nature
of our "system" that we reward people who can win races instead of govern.
And, all of them end up "old and gray" (or, oldER and BALD as is the case
of The Orange One) in the process.

that this speech has done is to turn most European countries against the
kind of ignorant, thuggish, self-serving America he represents.
Fortunately there are still many Americans who are not like that.
This is probably a good thing.  Unless you are Putin.  It's pretty clear
that Russia is a Potemkin power -- definitely not a "World Power".
The threat he poses is the threat ANY nation possessing nukes poses.
Care to make any guesses as to how many exist?  Or, *could* exist
if gifted the technology?
Clearly, in conventional warfare he's demonstrated he's not up to
the task (in material or manpower).  Keep the plebs happy (or, depressed)
with a continuous flow of Vodka and all will be well.  Gray is a
GREAT color, no?
So, if he was afraid of having a NATO Ukraine on his border, he
hasn't yet realized what a threat a re-ARMED Europe would pose in
that same geographical position.  Trump's trash talking may result
in a EUTO (without the US) that feels empowered to push back on
future issues without "consent" from the US.
And, of course, US administrations change -- often.  So, he has no
reassurance that the next won't seek to *bolster* a Europe that has
opted to reinvest in its own defense.
Ooops!

Trump doesn't seem to realise that you can make friends with a bear but
he will still eat you when he wants his next meal.
It seems the bear is toothless and pretty shaggy...
The real issue will be Xi's desire to be The One to reunite the "two chinas".
Without a direct attack on a NATO signatory, any country (e.g., the US)
wishing to oppose that action would have to rely on the Good Will of it's
allies to come to its aid.  (I suspect Trump hasn't read Article 5).

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14 Feb 25 * OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!211Cursitor Doom
14 Feb 25 +- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1bitrex
14 Feb 25 +* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!3john larkin
14 Feb 25 i+- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1bitrex
15 Feb 25 i`- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Bill Sloman
14 Feb 25 +* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!11Liz Tuddenham
15 Feb 25 i`* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!10Don Y
15 Feb 25 i +* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!5Liz Tuddenham
15 Feb 25 i i+* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!3Cursitor Doom
15 Feb 25 i ii+- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Liz Tuddenham
16 Feb 25 i ii`- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Bill Sloman
15 Feb 25 i i`- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Don Y
17 Feb 25 i `* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!4Jim Jackson
17 Feb 25 i  `* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!3Jeroen Belleman
17 Feb 25 i   `* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!2Liz Tuddenham
18 Feb 25 i    `- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Don Y
15 Feb 25 +- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Bill Sloman
15 Feb 25 +* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!190Liz Tuddenham
15 Feb 25 i+* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!7Cursitor Doom
15 Feb 25 ii+* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!3Cursitor Doom
15 Feb 25 iii+- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Bill Sloman
15 Feb 25 iii`- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1bitrex
15 Feb 25 ii+- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Bill Sloman
15 Feb 25 ii`* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!2john larkin
15 Feb 25 ii `- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Cursitor Doom
15 Feb 25 i+* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!29john larkin
15 Feb 25 ii+* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!20Bill Sloman
23 Feb 25 iii`* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!19albert
23 Feb 25 iii +* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!10john larkin
23 Feb 25 iii i`* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!9Jeroen Belleman
23 Feb 25 iii i +* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!7john larkin
23 Feb 25 iii i i+* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!5Jeroen Belleman
24 Feb 25 iii i ii`* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!4john larkin
24 Feb 25 iii i ii +* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!2Phil Hobbs
24 Feb 25 iii i ii i`- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1john larkin
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28 Feb 25 iii i i`- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1john larkin
24 Feb 25 iii i `- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Bill Sloman
23 Feb 25 iii +* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!4Cursitor Doom
23 Feb 25 iii i+* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!2john larkin
23 Feb 25 iii ii`- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Cursitor Doom
24 Feb 25 iii i`- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Bill Sloman
23 Feb 25 iii +* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!3Don Y
23 Feb 25 iii i+- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1john larkin
23 Feb 25 iii i`- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Cursitor Doom
24 Feb 25 iii `- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Bill Sloman
15 Feb 25 ii`* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!8Cursitor Doom
15 Feb 25 ii `* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!7Liz Tuddenham
15 Feb 25 ii  +* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!5john larkin
16 Feb 25 ii  i+* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!3bitrex
16 Feb 25 ii  ii`* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!2john larkin
16 Feb 25 ii  ii `- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Bill Sloman
16 Feb 25 ii  i`- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Bill Sloman
16 Feb 25 ii  `- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1bitrex
15 Feb 25 i`* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!153Don Y
15 Feb 25 i +* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!65Cursitor Doom
16 Feb 25 i i`* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!64Bill Sloman
16 Feb 25 i i `* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!63Liz Tuddenham
16 Feb 25 i i  +* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!48Bill Sloman
16 Feb 25 i i  i`* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!47Liz Tuddenham
16 Feb 25 i i  i +* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!43Bill Sloman
16 Feb 25 i i  i i`* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!42Liz Tuddenham
16 Feb 25 i i  i i +* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!39john larkin
16 Feb 25 i i  i i i+* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!27Liz Tuddenham
16 Feb 25 i i  i i ii`* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!26john larkin
16 Feb 25 i i  i i ii `* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!25Cursitor Doom
17 Feb 25 i i  i i ii  `* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!24Bill Sloman
23 Feb 25 i i  i i ii   `* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!23albert
23 Feb 25 i i  i i ii    +* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!2john larkin
24 Feb 25 i i  i i ii    i`- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Bill Sloman
23 Feb 25 i i  i i ii    +* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!16Cursitor Doom
23 Feb 25 i i  i i ii    i+* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!14Liz Tuddenham
23 Feb 25 i i  i i ii    ii`* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!13john larkin
24 Feb 25 i i  i i ii    ii +- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Cursitor Doom
24 Feb 25 i i  i i ii    ii `* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!11Bill Sloman
24 Feb 25 i i  i i ii    ii  +* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!8Liz Tuddenham
24 Feb 25 i i  i i ii    ii  i+- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Bill Sloman
24 Feb 25 i i  i i ii    ii  i`* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!6john larkin
25 Feb 25 i i  i i ii    ii  i `* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!5Bill Sloman
25 Feb 25 i i  i i ii    ii  i  `* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!4Liz Tuddenham
25 Feb 25 i i  i i ii    ii  i   `* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!3john larkin
26 Feb 25 i i  i i ii    ii  i    `* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!2Cursitor Doom
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2 Mar 25 i i  i i ii    ii   `- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Don Y
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23 Feb 25 i i  i i ii    `* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!4Don Y
23 Feb 25 i i  i i ii     `* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!3Liz Tuddenham
24 Feb 25 i i  i i ii      +- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Don Y
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16 Feb 25 i i  i i iii+- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1john larkin
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22 Feb 25 i i  i i iii +* Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!4Liz Tuddenham
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23 Feb 25 i i  i i iii ii`- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1Bill Sloman
22 Feb 25 i i  i i iii i`- Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!1John Larkin
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