Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!

On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 16:49:24 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
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On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 16:32:32 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
 

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
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On 17/02/2025 12:50 am, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
 

On 16/02/2025 11:48 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
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On 16/02/2025 6:41 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 10:53:37 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
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On 2/15/2025 3:07 AM, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

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So, if he was afraid of having a NATO Ukraine on his border, he
hasn't yet realized what a threat a re-ARMED Europe would pose
in that same geographical position.  Trump's trash talking may
result in a EUTO (without the US) that feels empowered to push
back on future issues without "consent" from the US.

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Getting Europe's military up to the job would take at least a
decade. But there's no money available. Germany - once the
economic powerhouse of the continent - is on its knees and France
likewise. And even if it could be afforded - which it can't - we
now know Putin can call upon China and N. Korea, so if push ever
came to shove, continental Europe would be toast.

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The US Abrahams tank relies on a German gun and UK (Chobham)
armour.

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But the Americans won't have to fight if Trump has his way.  He
thinks he can just keep Putin happy by feeding him European
countries, one-by-one.

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NATO exists so that he can't do that. An attack on one NATO member
is an attack on all of them. Ukraine is a not a member of NATO (and
Putin doesn't want it to join).

 
A flourish of the pen is all it needs to destroy that.  Trunp has
pulled out of other alliances when it suits him, why not this one?

 
Trump pulling America out of NATO won't destroy the agreements between
all the other countries involved.

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I know, but he thinks he rules most of the World and NATO will fall
apart without him.  Then, once the unity is broken, he can manipulate
the individual countries in any way that suits him.

 
He is acting in the interest of the people who elected him. That is a
radical concept nowadays.

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The next election will test whether they think he has done that ...if
there is a next election.

US Presidential elections happen every 4 years. But maybe the sun will
go supernova or Climate Change will kill us all before we get to elect
Vance.