Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!

Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2/17/25 11:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
 

On 17/02/2025 5:17 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 10:10:26 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
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Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:
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On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 12:31:48 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
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On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 10:53:37 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
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On 2/15/2025 3:07 AM, Liz Tuddenham wrote: > It was clearly aimed
at the home market; he was supposed to be there to > talk about
security in Europe and never even mentioned Ukraine.  All
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We (US) are governed by "entertainers", now more than ever.  It is
the nature of our "system" that we reward people who can win races
instead of govern.
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And, all of them end up "old and gray" (or, oldER and BALD as is
the case of The Orange One) in the process.
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that this speech has done is to turn most European countries
against the kind of ignorant, thuggish, self-serving America he
represents. Fortunately there are still many Americans who are
not like that.

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This is probably a good thing.  Unless you are Putin.  It's pretty
clear that Russia is a Potemkin power -- definitely not a "World
Power".
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The threat he poses is the threat ANY nation possessing nukes
poses. Care to make any guesses as to how many exist?  Or, *could*
exist if gifted the technology?
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The big question about Russian missiles and nukes is, will they
work?

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The Russians know that their stuff isn't especially reliable, then
and now.  So they have always used lots of warheads, so at least one
will work.

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Four of them came down in Romania last week - we haven't heard much
about that on the UK news.  Two were in Moldavia, close to the
border, so they might have been a mistake, but two more were well
inside Romania.

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Perhaps if we hadn't breached the Minsk II Treaty and expanded NATO up
to Russia's doorstep, none of this ghastly mess would have happened in
the first place.

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The Russian invasion of Ukraine is a reminder of why Russia's neighbours
were so keen to join NATO.
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The ghastly mess is entirely driven by Russia's territorial ambitions.

 
...and the failure of the rest of the World to react to it strongly and
quickly enough.
 
 

 
Which would have triggered another world war.

That's what Putin was banking on us believing, after he had failed at
Blitzkrieg.  That threat held us at bay long enough for him to turn the
invasion into a war of attrition, which he had a better chance of
winning.

The outcome of a war of attrition depends on the resources each side can
draw upon, which means the warring parties are entirely dependent on
their friends.  Trump withdrawing American assistance isn't a neutral
act, it is positive support for Putin.  Europe will suffer the
consequences first - then it will rebound on America.

Quoting you from another post:

So, if he was afraid of having a NATO Ukraine on his border, he
hasn't yet realized what a threat a re-ARMED Europe would pose in
that same geographical position.  Trump's trash talking may result
in a EUTO (without the US) that feels empowered to push back on
future issues without "consent" from the US.

You predicted that very well:  There is a meeting of European heads of
state in Paris today to discuss security in Europe independently of NATO
(i.e. a EUTO).


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