Re: OT: Cracking Speech by JDV!

On 20/02/2025 6:30 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:40:08 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
 

Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
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On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 10:51:47 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
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bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
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On 2/18/2025 5:57 AM, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 08:47:53 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
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Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
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Putin is nothing like Hitler. He's got no enthusiasm for mass

murder, >> and there's no obvious evidence that he is zenophobic. > >
Have you seen what he is doing to transgender people?  That is >
zenophobia by another name and is an attempt to kill off a whole
section > of the population by withdrawing needed medical treatment.
Medical > websites have been closed to prevent doctors treating their
patients. > > American history is being re-written to erase anyone
suspected of being > transgender.  Families with anyone transgender
have been moving away >from certain states for some time, now a
'kindertransport'  organisation > has been set up to get transgender
children and adults out of America > before the purges start in
ernest.  It's not being publicised in the > gutter press, who are
still printing transphobic rants, but it is > happening - in America
- now.
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Subject close to your heart, is it?

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Very much so;  politicians driving children to suicide by banning
their health care is something we should all be concerned about.
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The idea that a man who has the appearance of a woman could easily
enter a woman's bathroom and engage in nefarious activities drives even
some of my better-educated American relatives and associate into
conniptions of hand wringing.

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It's a primitive fear that is drummed into women from an early age and
it's not uncommon in men either.  As soon as the spectre is raised of a
predatory man being present when you are at your most vulnerable, all
logical thought is suppressed.  That is what they are playing on.
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If a man wanted to spy in women, he would not go through all the legal
and medical hoops of pretending to be transgender, he would just get on
and do it.  By conflating predatory men with transgender people they are
using this to try to make life intolerable for an already-vulnerable
group of people.

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But that's not what's happening. What we are being asked to swallow is
men who simply "identify" as women being allowed access into all sorts
of areas where they would normally be forbidden. This is the height of
woke madness. Those kind of people have no legal and medical hoops
they're obliged to go through; they just say: "I'm a woman" and
they're good to go!

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Do you know how many times that has happened in countries where
self-identification is allowed?  Never - not once - EVER!  It is a
completly false scenario conjured up by a right-wing hate groups and
trotted out at regular intervals.  Nobody who thinks about it will be
taken in, but it is a very emotive lie guaranteed to get a knee-jerk
reaction.

 Sorry, but I'm not having that. I do my best to remain as ignorant as
possible about current affairs in the UK since it went down the
shitter and I left many years ago as a consequence.

You certainly succeeded in remaining remarkably ignorant, but a lot of that is your talent for misunderstanding information as supporting what you would like it to mean, as you do below.

However, from time
to time I do get to read about what's going on there on the interweb.
There most assuredly *was* at *least* one case where a self-identified
"woman" who was convicted of rape was able to get himself sent to a
women's prison where he had a free hand to prey on as many vulnerable
women as he pleased. Understandly it caused a huge outcry in the press
at the time - and not just among Daily Mail readers. So don't try to
deny it. It's utter lunacy and anyone who attempts to defend it is
likewise mentally-ill.

Manipulative psychopaths most certainly exist, but using a single example of a psychopath who managed to exploit the system to his own advantage isn't a good reason to imagine that the bulk of the transgender population is doing that - or anything like it.

In the UK there is no chance whatever because anyone is allowed in any
toilet and some toilets are not even designated by sex or gender (just
as in many advanced Europen countries).  Where they are nominally
segregated, men can use either toilet and so can women.  There are no
gender police, no sex inspections or birth certificate checks at the
door and no chance of women being attacked or thrown out by other women
because they don't look feminine enough (which I understand has happened
in some of the more backwards of the American states).
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Women stand far more chance of being attacked by a man in the badly-lit
stairwells of a block of flats and he doesn't have to pose as anything
to do it.

 I'm not getting into an extended exchange on this subject.

It does tend to show up your defective reasoning.

It's wokiness on steroids gone bonkers. This is a discussion group founded
to deal with aspects of electronic design, not 'trans issues.' Now
hopefully we can get back to normal and focus exclusively on something
far more engaging: US politics.

Granting Trump's demonstrated capacity (during the Covid-19 pandemic) to kill hundred of thousands of people by pushing ill-judged policies, it can be a matter of life and death.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney