Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane

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Sujet : Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane
De : liz (at) *nospam* poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design
Date : 15. Mar 2025, 17:17:25
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Dave Platt <dplatt@coop.radagast.org> wrote:

In article <1r8zjnr.1exnyup1tqp24zN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
 
The braid of the co-ax feeder is soldered to a tag on the steel plate,
but of course this is not in direct contact with the metal of the van
roof which forms the 'infinite' ground plane.  The capacitance between
the steel plate and the van roof is about 120 pf, which has a reactance
of about 18 ohms at 72 Mc/s and half as much at 145 Mc/s.  To balance
the feed point I have inserted a 120pf capacitor between the centre
conductor of the co-ax and the connection to the rod elements.
 
I'm not at all sure that this "balancing" capacitor is going to help
matters more than it hurts.  It will probably increase the series
(capacitive) reactance of the antenna system as a whole, raising
the SWR and making life tougher on the radio.

I've taken it out and cut the elements a bit shorter (they were too long
to start with), I can get VSWRs well below 1.5 on 144 Mc/s and 70 Mc/s
with two different elements.  There is a lockable sliding joint so I can
trim the length with the NanoVNA I have just bought.  The tuning of the
144 Mc/s quarter-wave whip is very broad and uncritical but the 70 Mc/s
whip is quite sharp (perhaps because of the capacitive effect in the
'earth' plane).

I experimented with ways of increasing the capacitance to the van roof
using aluminium cooking foil, but the difference it makes is not worth
the bother of cutting a more substantial capacitor plate from sheet
aluminium.

[...]
It could help you a lot if you can get access to a NanoVNA

It has made a huge difference, I can see all my mistakes instead of
blundering around in the dark.


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~ Liz Tuddenham ~
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www.poppyrecords.co.uk

Date Sujet#  Auteur
10 Mar 25 * Quarter-wave whip earth plane27Liz Tuddenham
10 Mar 25 +* Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane10Joerg
10 Mar 25 i`* Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane9Liz Tuddenham
10 Mar 25 i +- Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane1Ralph Mowery
10 Mar 25 i `* Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane7Joerg
11 Mar 25 i  `* Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane6Liz Tuddenham
11 Mar 25 i   +- Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane1Joerg
15 Mar 25 i   `* Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane4Liz Tuddenham
15 Mar 25 i    +- Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane1Jeroen Belleman
15 Mar 25 i    `* Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane2Tauno Voipio
15 Mar 25 i     `- Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane1Liz Tuddenham
10 Mar 25 +* Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane6legg
10 Mar 25 i+* Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane3Joerg
11 Mar 25 ii`* Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane2Liz Tuddenham
11 Mar 25 ii `- Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane1Joerg
11 Mar 25 i`* Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane2Liz Tuddenham
11 Mar 25 i `- Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane1legg
11 Mar 25 +* Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane9Joerg
11 Mar 25 i+* Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane6Phil Hobbs
11 Mar 25 ii+* Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane3Joerg
11 Mar 25 iii`* Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane2Phil Hobbs
11 Mar 25 iii `- Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane1Joerg
11 Mar 25 ii`* Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane2john larkin
11 Mar 25 ii `- Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane1Phil Hobbs
11 Mar 25 i+- Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane1Liz Tuddenham
13 Mar 25 i`- Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane1Liz Tuddenham
15 Mar 25 `- Re: Quarter-wave whip earth plane1Liz Tuddenham

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