Re: Low distortion sinewave oscillator without big capacitor.

On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 23:55:11 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
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On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 16:29:27 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
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On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 14:25:29 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
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On 4/04/2025 11:33 am, JM wrote:

On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 19:25:33 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 14:54:56 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
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Not long ago JM posted a 1KHz sinewave oscillator with very low distortion.
It used a 470uF non polarized capacitor which in practice would probably be made from two 1000uF capacitors.
There's nothing wrong with that but I wanted to see whether I could make a working circuit without needing such a large
capacitor.

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You will need to adjust the feedback to suit.  Start with a -5 or -6
gain block after the integrator and adjust it's gain until the startup
is clean (no saturation).

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Here's my version of John May's variation.
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Yes, that works but only 120dB down at 4KHz.
I put the damping resistor back to 47k since I don't care what happens during the first few seonds as long as it happens.
If it's necessary to wait one minute for the purest tone, that's fine with me.
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Linewraps are going to be a problem - delete all "\n" from the last few lines

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You don't want to remove \n just remove the wraps.
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BCM61B does not have two independent transistors.
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So you probably want BCM847BS which has two independent matched transistors and a very low price at digikey, so may as well
use
two
of them as shown below.
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I took the model from
https://github.com/peteut/spice-models/blob/master/nxp/complex_discretes/complex_discretes.txt
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It should only be necessary to unwrap the last line of the following.
Don't remove \n just remove the wraps, you may need to use a horizontal scroll bar.
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Version 4.1

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Best to just offset the integrator output so the amplitude is brought
under control sooner.
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Wow. That has much lower distortion too.
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If you just replace Q1,2 duals with a simple long tailed pair I think
you will get better performance.

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I'm not sure I understand how the multiplier could be implemented with just a long tailed pair.
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Just modulate the tail current and select how much to steer to the
output by directly driving the bases rather than indirectly as in your
circuit.  The following link shows one example topology, and a four
quadrant differential I/O version.  Compare the linearity of each of
them.
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https://1drv.ms/u/c/1af24d72a509cd48/EWVCUG7-jFJMu7-01VczCRcBzEC9JPHrV45x7TOunN90Gg?e=GXbvX5

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It could be used as shown here.
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https://1drv.ms/u/c/1af24d72a509cd48/EVmMVrvUD15GutoR5nCJ7QEBSeZsHWpHudqR0b8XtTLMLw?e=HIV74I

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For best performance use the multplier circuit with differential I/O.
There is already a suitable drive point at U1 in the circuit.
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The derived circuit below doesn't seem to have any discernible distortion at all as far as I can tell in an LTSpice FFT.
Not until you get above about 100KHz where it's 160dB down.
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Best to use the Hanning windows at these levels if you're not already
doing so.