Re: energy in UK

On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 17:47:27 +0100, Martin Brown
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On 18/04/2025 12:05, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 11:52:46 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
 

On 16/04/2025 09:20, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
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On 14/04/2025 22:25, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:
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On 2025-04-14, Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:

Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
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It was the deranged grass roots activists that voted Liz the Lettuce in.

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I don't think so: she was elected by a small group at the top of the
party.  The grass-roots Conservatives I have spoken to are appalled by
the things the party elite have been doing in their name.

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Meanwhile in the real world ...
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The MP's selected Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak...

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That was the point I was trying to make: there is a clique at the top of
the party and ordinary grass-roots members don't get to choose freely.

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Rishi Sunak was a *perfectly good candidate* for PM.
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If he had won in the first round then things could well have been very
different. It was the Tory grass roots activists that destroyed the Tory
party by electing Liz the Lettuce and resulting in total annihilation.

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Thst's not the point I was making:  Ordinary members of the party who

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Anyone who was a *member* of the Tory party was entitled to vote for
their choice of PM. They chose unwisely and must live with the result.

 
The choices the members were given were between a vastly pared-down
selection of possible candidates: a short short-list decided by Tory
MPs. If the members had had the choice of picking *any* MP they
wished, I'm certain the result would have been completely different.

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One of them, Rishi Sunak (my MP) was a perfectly good candidate but the
Tory *membership* voted for Liz the Lettuce and so well deserved the
total annihilation they suffered at the polls for their stupidity.
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I don't doubt that the grass roots rabid Tories would have voted for
someone even more deranged than Liz the Lettuce if given the option.
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Liz the Lettuce was elected by and made PM by all the paid up *members*
of the Conservative Party who voted for her rather than Sunak.
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were not 'activists' (whatever that means), or in the elite few at the
top, were only able to choose between candidates who had already been
selected by a self-perpetuating clique.  They had no say in who was
offered to them.

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One thing about politicians is that anyone who actually wants to do
their job should probably be debarred from doing it.

 
The major flaw in our current model of democracy as thing stand is the
'career politician' - who 30 or 40 years ago may have got into
politics for the noblest of reasons, but has since had their
principles completely compromised and has amassed considerable wealth
from selling their influence to the highest bidder. We need to make
the 'career politician' an historical curiosity.

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That simply isn't true except for a handful of truly bent ones. Retired
politicians doing lobbying using parliamentary passes is another matter.
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All of the serving MP's that I have encountered and on both sides of the
house have been good people trying to do their very best for their
constituency and for the country. The bad apples are few and far between.
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The problem is that too many read PPE or are bean counters and lawyers
and not enough scientists or engineers. ISTR about a dozen are on the
innovation science and technology group (almost all that qualify). I was
quite impressed by Chi Onwurah (Labour) Newcastle MP the current chair.
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https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/135/science-innovation-and-technology-committee/membership/
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Paradoxically the House of Lords has a much more interesting and
representative cross section of the community due to life peerages
putting people with great expertise where they can scrutinise government
legislation.

Noblesse oblige went out the window many moons ago. Time to get rid of
such parasitic anachronisms.