Re: Grand Apagon - Electricity (not) in Spain

On 4/29/25 12:32 PM, Martin Brown wrote:

On 29/04/2025 18:52, Don Y wrote:

On 4/29/2025 8:07 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

 

They try very hard not to mention the fact that their load shedding algorithm was shedding a lot of local solar PV generation along with the load so that it was playing catch up and never quite getting there.

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Can they disconnect individual residential installations?

 In principle they can disconnect any residential installation with a smart meter (although they are normally prohibited from doing so). And anyone with a SMETS1 "smart" meter is wide open for a bad actor to flip their power on and off deliberately to bring the UK network down.
 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22608085
 Unclear if the smart meters from that era that have become disabled by the customer changing supplier are still a hacker security risk or not. State actors would have no trouble hacking them...
 Some university researchers had no real bother!
 

Or, just solar "farms"?

 They can drop out entire blocks of switchgear to take a given region or zone offline (as would happen if a fault condition trips a breaker).
 The big problem on a really sunny day is that an individual house roof 4kW PV installation in late afternoon in the UK will be potentially exporting all of it to the grid. That is about 20-30 houses worth of electricity for each solar roof.
 They drop say 100MW of load or approx 500k houses @ 200W but with 2% of them generating 4kW then they also drop off 40MW of local generation.
 So the net load shedding is only 60MW which isn't enough to restore the balance and then the cycle repeats until it hits the low frequency total panic limiter. UK stopped it spreading by manual override dropping more than the algorithm wanted but leaving a big area without power.
 

That doesn't make sense.
In general it is not possible to centrally separate out residential solar from the residential loads so all they will see is a 60MW load, the 40MW local generation is invisible to them and is only apparent as a reduction in the load.

It didn't help that by the time they did that the low frequency had put a lot of electric trains into a disabled state requiring a hard reset by a qualified service engineer visit and at random positions on the intercity train lines. The guys who could do that were in short supply.