Re: The Spanish Grid Drop-out - recently released information.

On 2025-05-13 18:14, Bill Sloman wrote:

On 13/05/2025 11:48 pm, john larkin wrote:

On Tue, 13 May 2025 12:57:47 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

Nukes are great, but not if you tear them down.

 Nukes are remarkably expensive, and depressingly inflexible. Radiation damage to the structure means that you do have to tear them down after a few decades of use, and the radioactive waste starts off very radioactive, and the longer-lived isotopes have to be managed for a few hundred thousand years.

And the investors building the stations do not consider the cost of managing the waste for centuries. They leave that part to the government. In Spain, we don't have any long term nuclear waste storage. I think we rent storage in France, so the waste has to be transported there. We have some storage at each station, a large water pool.

Lots of money is being spent to (mostly not) fix a problem that used
to not exist. If Europe wants to shiver in the dark and
de-industrialize, it's fine with us. And with China.

 The only well-informed people who think that anthopogenic global warming isn't a problem work for the fossil carbon extraction industry, and they are well-informed about what would happen to their jobs if they thought differently.

Right.

 

Germany and Japan lost WWII largely because they ran out of energy
resources, and the US didn't.

 That's not the usual formulation.

No, it isn't. Fuel was a factor, of course, but not the only one.

 

Now europe is voluntarily wrecking itself.

 They haven't elected anybody as silly as Donald Trump yet.

I'll pray to that.

 They are phasing out fossil carbon  fueled energy sources, but the renewable alternatives seem to be able to replace them.
 

When unemployed people get cold and hungry in the dark,
politics will change. The left will put up a big fight but will lose.

 That's pretty much what got Donald Trump elected. America has exported a lot of manufacturing jobs, and the people stuck with the low paid work they can get aren't happy about it. They are going to be even unhappier when they work out that his hare-brained schemes aren't going to make them any better off.
 Europe hasn't got the same kind of problem - there's less economic inequality there than there is in the USA, and less of the social problems it generates.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_Level_(Wilkinson_and_Pickett_book)
 James Arthur doesn't like the book, because he doesn't like the message. He didn't seem to be able to fault the research.
 

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Cheers, Carlos.