Re: "Colorimeter"

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Sujet : Re: "Colorimeter"
De : '''newspam''' (at) *nospam* nonad.co.uk (Martin Brown)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design
Date : 17. May 2025, 22:03:07
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On 17/05/2025 20:30, Don Y wrote:
Not quite, but, close enough...
 How can I determine the spectrum of incident light on a sensor,
in general?  Then, how many corners can I cut to sacrifice resolution
and accuracy?
Short answer is you can't - at least without making some *very* questionable assumptions. It is even worse now with narrowband LEDs.
If you are allowed to make the assumption of a radiant perfect black body (something that doesn't exist) then it is much easier.

I've worked with true colorimeters (dual wavelength) in the past.
But, they were optimized to look for specific wavelengths.
True colorimeters were designed to match visible colours pretty much exactly under *any* lighting conditions (extremely tough problem). The first that actually worked well enough was the Imperial Match Predictor which ISTR was an analogue computer made in the UK by ICI strictly for internal use only. I don't think any documentation survives.
There was a US made spectrometer which formed a part of it whose manufacturers name escapes me for the moment. Got it Hardy Spectrophotometer:
https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/objects/co11842/ge-hardy-spectrophotometer-c-1940
That model isn't quite the right one but it is close.
Now any suitable paint test chart and a mobile phone will do the job.

I calibrate the light emitted by my monitors with a device,
but it controls the light source to do so.
If you are serious about doing this right then a 2D CCD sensor and a prism hires grating combo at right angles will allow you to quantify the entire visible spectrum at ultra high resolution. Be careful though Perkin-Elmer (and others) have some very good lock out patents on this trick (may be about to expire).
A few people can see longer wavelengths than most with an extra type of cone cell. They were sought after in WWII (pre thermal IR band imaging) because they could see the difference between live foliage still growing and cut down dying foliage used as gun emplacement camouflage.
Denatured chlorophyll looks much darker to them.

With no knowledge of the actual (visible) spectrum impinging on
a sensor (and a bit of time to integrate results), how can I
do this short of swapping individual filters in front of the
sensor(s)?
Measure the intensity at all wavelengths in a single shot.
PE OES instrument in the early 1990's was the first with this.
(I forget the model number) I was seriously impressed with it.
--
Martin Brown

Date Sujet#  Auteur
17 May20:30 * "Colorimeter"32Don Y
17 May20:44 +* Re: "Colorimeter"2john larkin
17 May23:42 i`- Re: "Colorimeter"1Joe Gwinn
17 May22:03 +* Re: "Colorimeter"12Martin Brown
18 May03:29 i+* Re: "Colorimeter"7Don Y
18 May13:37 ii+* Re: "Colorimeter"4Martin Brown
18 May20:43 iii`* Re: "Colorimeter"3Don Y
18 May22:40 iii `* Re: "Colorimeter"2Martin Brown
19 May03:32 iii  `- Re: "Colorimeter"1Don Y
18 May13:55 ii`* Re: "Colorimeter"2piglet
18 May20:40 ii `- Re: "Colorimeter"1Don Y
18 May14:13 i`* Re: "Colorimeter"4Lasse Langwadt
18 May20:45 i `* Re: "Colorimeter"3Don Y
18 May22:43 i  +- Re: "Colorimeter"1Martin Brown
19 May21:33 i  `- Re: "Colorimeter"1Lasse Langwadt
17 May22:03 +* Re: "Colorimeter"14Liz Tuddenham
17 May23:44 i+- Re: "Colorimeter"1john larkin
18 May06:54 i`* Re: "Colorimeter"12Don Y
18 May22:15 i `* Re: "Colorimeter"11Liz Tuddenham
20 May18:43 i  `* Re: "Colorimeter"10Don Y
21 May12:05 i   +* Re: "Colorimeter"7Liz Tuddenham
21 May13:42 i   i`* Re: "Colorimeter"6Don Y
21 May14:19 i   i `* Re: "Colorimeter"5Liz Tuddenham
21 May14:51 i   i  +- Re: "Colorimeter"1Phil Hobbs
22 May17:49 i   i  `* Re: "Colorimeter"3Don Y
23 May10:04 i   i   `* Re: "Colorimeter"2Liz Tuddenham
23 May13:10 i   i    `- Re: "Colorimeter"1Martin Brown
21 May13:24 i   `* Re: "Colorimeter"2Martin Brown
21 May14:19 i    `- Re: "Colorimeter"1Liz Tuddenham
18 May12:22 `* Re: "Colorimeter"3Theo
22 May18:34  `* Re: "Colorimeter"2Don Y
22 May19:45   `- Re: "Colorimeter"1Martin Brown

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