Re: Phase or frequency modulation?

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Sujet : Re: Phase or frequency modulation?
De : g (at) *nospam* crcomp.net (Don)
Groupes : sci.electronics.design
Date : 07. Jul 2025, 14:41:52
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Correction. <https://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/Database> includes one
PM zombie satellite: <https://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/Transit_5B-5>

Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I have been checking the performance of a variable-reactance type of
frequency modulator which 'pulls' a crystal oscillator.  After
multiplication and mixing, the signal appears at 145 Mc/s.
>
Listening to this signal on an Icom 706 MkII transceiver I found it was
barely intelligible, with severe high frequency cut.  At first I
suspected my modulator but I checked the audio output of the Icom with a
good-quality signal generator and found the response was:
>
200c/s : -3dB
400c/s :  0dB
750c/s : -3dB
1 Kc/s : -6dB
1k5    : -10dB
2k0    : -13dB
2k5    : -16dB
3k0    : -18dB
>
(Using the wideband FM setting of the Icom produced similar results, so
the limitation was in the detector/A.F. stages, not in the I.F. filter)
This looks as though EITHER a 6dB per octave response is being imposed
on the output of the FM detector OR the detector is expecting phase
modulation.
>
The handbook for the Icom refers throughout to frequency modulation and
does not mention phase modulation.  Most references to modulation in the
2-metre band (144-146 Mc/s in the U.K.) mention frequency modulation and
the use of phase modulation would cause 'splash' into adjacent channels
at higher audio frequencies because of the rising characteristic.
>
Has my Icom been designed for a market where phase modulation is the
norm or is there another explantion?

Good question. It's a shame the All Identified Signals database
<https://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/Database> lacks a filter for PM mode.
Otherwise it might indicate countries where PM is popular.

Danke,

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Don, KB7RPU, https://www.qsl.net/kb7rpu
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She set out one day In a relative way And returned on the previous night.


Date Sujet#  Auteur
7 Jul08:44 * Phase or frequency modulation?29Liz Tuddenham
7 Jul14:14 +* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?22john larkin
7 Jul15:04 i`* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?21Liz Tuddenham
7 Jul16:07 i `* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?20john larkin
7 Jul16:11 i  +* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?18john larkin
7 Jul18:28 i  i`* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?17Liz Tuddenham
7 Jul18:48 i  i `* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?16john larkin
7 Jul19:06 i  i  +* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?13Liz Tuddenham
7 Jul22:54 i  i  i+* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?3john larkin
8 Jul08:50 i  i  ii`* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?2Liz Tuddenham
8 Jul16:16 i  i  ii `- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1john larkin
8 Jul12:19 i  i  i`* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?9Phil Hobbs
8 Jul12:30 i  i  i +- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1Liz Tuddenham
8 Jul13:45 i  i  i +* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?5piglet
8 Jul15:23 i  i  i i`* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?4Phil Hobbs
8 Jul16:55 i  i  i i +* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?2Liz Tuddenham
8 Jul18:34 i  i  i i i`- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1Phil Hobbs
8 Jul20:00 i  i  i i `- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1piglet
8 Jul18:39 i  i  i `* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?2john larkin
8 Jul20:00 i  i  i  `- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1Phil Hobbs
8 Jul23:20 i  i  `* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?2Ralph Mowery
9 Jul00:45 i  i   `- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1Phil Hobbs
7 Jul18:28 i  `- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1Liz Tuddenham
7 Jul14:41 +* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?2Don
7 Jul15:00 i`- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1Phil Hobbs
7 Jul18:28 +* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?2Liz Tuddenham
9 Jul09:08 i`- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1Liz Tuddenham
8 Jul22:25 `* Re: Phase or frequency modulation?2Ralph Mowery
9 Jul09:08  `- Re: Phase or frequency modulation?1Liz Tuddenham

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