Sujet : Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report
De : robin_listas (at) *nospam* es.invalid (Carlos E.R.)
Groupes : sci.electronics.designDate : 11. Jul 2025, 10:58:56
Autres entêtes
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On 2025-07-11 02:35, Don Y wrote:
On 7/10/2025 5:27 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-07-11 01:20, Don Y wrote:
On 7/10/2025 3:14 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-07-10 23:39, Don Y wrote:
On 7/10/2025 12:00 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-07-10 15:55, Don Y wrote:
Again, which plants? Was there policy in place that caused this (if so,
why hadn't ALL plants?)
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"...because ‘some operators’ were not complying with the regulations"
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Which?
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"The report, due to a ‘confidentiality obligation’ has “anonymised”
information, ‘on most occasions’ at the request of the actors involved..."
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Do you see the pattern, here?
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I.e., "Someone was killed. We've spoken to the killer -- who shall remain
anonymous and promise not to do it again..."
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Because if not, they would not have talked and the cause would not be known and corrective action not taken fast.
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"Something horrific happened. We've spoken to the parties responsible.
We *think* they won't do it again but don't want anyone to know who
was actually responsible (as THEY aren't part of the problem??)"
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Finding a culprit to sue will take decades (it is another investigation), and we want solutions now.
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So, let's just keep the "bad actor" in the same position of responsibility
WHILE we are deciding who to sue?
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I prefer to have electricity than a culprit.
But you have no assurance that you will *still* have electricity!
If the same "actors" are in place, what guarantee that they won't
similarly screw up next week/month/year? What incentive do THEY
have to "perform correctly" -- if the NEXT lawsuit will be years
after the *first* lawsuit?
If you hide their identities *now*, that doesn't prevent all the
same "anonymized data" from being subpoenaed and introduced as
evidence in their later *trial*. They're still on-the-hook
for their responsibility.
(Ah, but stockholders can continue to profit UNTIL the trial...)
If their identities were not anonymized, they would not have talked at all. It would have taken years to have a working report.
I prefer to have this report now, so that it can be acted upon, and let the courts find the culprits to sue at their leisurely pace in a decade time.
-- Cheers, Carlos.
Date | Sujet | # | | Auteur |
17 Jun 25 | Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 50 | | Carlos E.R. |
18 Jun 25 |  Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 19 | | Liz Tuddenham |
18 Jun 25 |   Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 10 | | Martin Brown |
18 Jun 25 |    Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 3 | | Liz Tuddenham |
18 Jun 25 |     Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 2 | | Martin Brown |
18 Jun 25 |      Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 1 | | Liz Tuddenham |
19 Jun 25 |    Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 6 | | Bill Sloman |
19 Jun 25 |     Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 5 | | Carlos E.R. |
19 Jun 25 |      Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 4 | | Martin Brown |
19 Jun 25 |       Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 2 | | Bill Sloman |
19 Jun 25 |        Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 1 | | Carlos E.R. |
19 Jun 25 |       Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 1 | | Carlos E.R. |
18 Jun 25 |   Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 8 | | Carlos E.R. |
18 Jun 25 |    Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 3 | | Joe Gwinn |
18 Jun 25 |     Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 2 | | Carlos E.R. |
18 Jun 25 |      Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 1 | | Joe Gwinn |
18 Jun 25 |    Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 3 | | Martin Brown |
18 Jun 25 |     Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 2 | | Carlos E.R. |
19 Jun 25 |      Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 1 | | Martin Brown |
18 Jun 25 |    Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 1 | | Liz Tuddenham |
18 Jun 25 |  Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 1 | | Martin Brown |
21 Jun 25 |  Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), battery stations are being constructed | 2 | | Carlos E.R. |
21 Jun 25 |   Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), battery stations are being constructed | 1 | | Martin Brown |
25 Jun 25 |  Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), new regulation | 2 | | Carlos E.R. |
26 Jun 25 |   Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), new regulation | 1 | | Bill Sloman |
9 Jul21:10 |  Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), 65 corrective actions | 12 | | Carlos E.R. |
9 Jul22:07 |   Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), 65 corrective actions | 11 | | Carlos E.R. |
9 Jul23:08 |    Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), 65 corrective actions | 7 | | Joe Gwinn |
10 Jul00:26 |     Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), 65 corrective actions | 2 | | Joe Gwinn |
10 Jul01:32 |      Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), 65 corrective actions | 1 | | Carlos E.R. |
10 Jul12:54 |     Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), 65 corrective actions | 4 | | piglet |
10 Jul16:29 |      Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), 65 corrective actions | 3 | | Joe Gwinn |
10 Jul17:13 |       Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), 65 corrective actions | 2 | | piglet |
10 Jul21:04 |        Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), 65 corrective actions | 1 | | Joe Gwinn |
10 Jul01:27 |    Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), 65 corrective actions | 3 | | Carlos E.R. |
10 Jul12:51 |     Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), 65 corrective actions | 2 | | Carlos E.R. |
10 Jul19:56 |      Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), 65 corrective actions | 1 | | Carlos E.R. |
10 Jul01:42 |  Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 13 | | Don Y |
10 Jul11:49 |   Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 1 | | Carlos E.R. |
10 Jul14:55 |   Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 11 | | Don Y |
10 Jul20:00 |    Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 10 | | Carlos E.R. |
10 Jul22:39 |     Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 9 | | Don Y |
10 Jul23:14 |      Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 8 | | Carlos E.R. |
11 Jul00:20 |       Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 7 | | Don Y |
11 Jul01:27 |        Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 6 | | Carlos E.R. |
11 Jul01:35 |         Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 5 | | Don Y |
11 Jul10:58 |          Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 2 | | Carlos E.R. |
11 Jul23:08 |           Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 1 | | Don Y |
11 Jul18:41 |          Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 2 | | Jeroen Belleman |
11 Jul21:14 |           Re: Causes of the Gran Apagón (Spain), first oficial report | 1 | | Phil Hobbs |