Re: Francophones

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Sujet : Re: Francophones
De : cd (at) *nospam* notformail.com (Cursitor Doom)
Groupes : sci.electronics.repair sci.electronics.design
Date : 21. Dec 2024, 22:37:59
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On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 22:31:36 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 12/21/24 22:07, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 21:31:51 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
 
On 12/21/24 14:57, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 08:57:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 00:05:08 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>
On 12/20/24 22:16, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 19:32:14 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>
Do we have any French speakers on the Panel? I have a radio that's
badly in need of realignment and the only instructions I can find are
a set in French. I can't use Google translate because they've used too
many abbreviations in the text and they won't parse any sense.
>
I'm not a particularly fluent French speaker, but I could probably sort
out some technical instructions in French   If you want to send them to
me, I'll have a go (you should be able to work out my e-mail address).
>
Many thanks indeed for your kind offer. I suspect it will probably
require a native French speaker to decypher, but who knows?  :-)
>
I'm not a native French speaker, but I may be able to help anyway.
Fire away.
>
Well that's interesing as I had did think you might respond given some
of the background you've revealed here in the past. I don't have the
relevant page here right now, but will make it available tomorrow. It
is only the one page and only one column of that, so nothing too
onerous. I did show it to a genuine French chum of mine a few weeks
ago, but he was stumped by the technical side of it and couldn't
assist much, unfortunately. So it appears it needs someone who can
speak French fluently *and* understands the process of radio
alignment. I kind of guessed that might be you....
>
>
Many years ago Practical Wireless published an article about the French
819-line high-definition television service which had been translated
from French by someone who knew nothing about television or radio
terminologyy.  It was hilarious nonsense but I eventually managed to
translate it back into French so that I could understand it.
>
If you post your text here, we can all have a go at it.
>
Sorry for the delay; took a bit of tracking down but I have it now:
>
https://disk.yandex.com/i/3SiZ6rN_k-fP4w
>
It's only page 1 that needs the translation - and of that, in
particular the abbreviated bits. I haven't read French since I was in
school about a hundred years ago, so it's all Dutch to me. :-)
>
>
This was translated from German into French by someone who also
did not know clearly what it all meant. Not everything makes
perfect sense.
>
Also, while it doesn't say so, many of the adjustments interact,
so you may have to go back and forth a few times. Anyway, here
goes.
>
Jeroen Belleman
>
>
===============================================================
>
-- DC current adjustments (for 9V supply)
    - Adjustment of the push-pull audio stage:
    Cut the solder bridge marked -x- in the collector trace of the
    AC188 T11 and insert a current meter. Adjust R410 for 6.5mA.
    Restore the bridge.
    - Adjustment of the IF amplifier:
    Set R515 to obtain 1.35V across T4's emitter resistor R518.
>
-- Adjustment of the FM-IF stages. The radio should be set to "FM".
    Connect a wobbulator centered on 10.7MHz at MP5 and the diode
    detector shown at ZF VII (I think...) MP6. Detune ZF VIII (a).
    Then tune ZFVII (b) for a symmetrical maximum response.
    - Inject signal at MP3 and tune ZF VI (c) and ZF V (d) for
    symmetrical maximum response.
    - Inject signal on MP2 and adjust ZF IV (e) and ZF III (f) for
    symmetrical maximum response.
    - Inject a weakly coupled signal at the mixer (MP1?) and adjust
    ZF II (g) and ZF I (h) for symmetrical maximum response.
    - Discriminator: Inject signal at MP5, with a level low
    enough that no limiting occurs in the IF strip. Observe the
    signal at MP11 (audio amplifier input) with load impedance 50k.
    Adjust ZF VIII (a) for symmetrical response.
>
-- Adjustment of the AM IF (460kHz) stages. The radio should be
    set to "PO" (AM, 560-1450kHz). Connect a measurement instrument
    at MP4 (Weakly coupled).
    - Inject a wobbulator signal at MP3 and adjust ZF XIII and ZF XII
    for symmetrical maximum response.
    - Inject signal at MP8 and adjust ZF XI for symmetrical maximum
    response.
    - Inject signal at MP7 and adjust ZF X and ZF IX for symmetrical
    maximum response.
>
-- Adjustment of local oscillator and AM input. For short and
    medium wave, couple signal into the ferrite rod antenna using
    the frame. For short wave, remove the rod antenna and couple
    signal at the antenna connection through 15pF.
    Tune to 560kHz and adjust (1) and (3) for maximum response.
    Mixer sensitivity 13uV and oscillator output 60-90mV.
    Tune to 1450 kHz and adjust (2) and (4) for maximum response.
    - Set the radio to GO (Long wave, 160-240kHz).
    Tune to 160kHz and adjust (5) and (6) for maximum response.
    Mixer sensitivity 13uV and oscillator output 65-95mV.
    - Set the radio to OC (Short wave, 6.5-15MHz)
    Tune to 6.5MHz and adjust (8) and (10) for maximum response.
    Tune to 15MHz and adjust (9) and (11) for maximum response.
    Mixer sensitivity 5uV and oscillator output 35-90mV.
>
-- Adjustment of the FM LO. Signal from an RF generator with
    60 Ohm output impedance injected directly at the mixer (MP1?)
    with a loaded signal level <2mV. Set the radio to FM.
    - Tune to 88MHz and adjust (A) and (C) for maximum response.
    - Tune to 106MHz and adjust (B) and (D) for maximum response,
    Noise level is about 5 times kT0. Oscillator output voltage
    75-85mV (at T2's emitter).
 
Thanks, Jeroen. Geez, you just can't win with these bastards. I've got
a 50 ohm signal generator and a 70 ohm one - but that's not good
enough for 'em. No, they want me to splash out on a 60 ohm one and
where am I going to source one of those??
And it doesn't stop there! I thought all my vintage servicing voltage
reading requirements would be met when I bought an old analogue Avo
with 20kohms/volt. But now it seems I need to scratch around for a
500ohms/volt one. It seems they're expecting whoever services these
things to have access to an infinite range of test equipment to
satisfy whatever whim the manual compiler for the equipment had at the
time. <making overly theatrical gesture of despair>
>
I don't think that matters all that much, really. Your VNA will
do fine as a signal source and a scope will do fine to measure
resulting signals and voltages. If really necessary, put ten ohms
in series with your 50 Ohm source.

Yes, but you know what a *bitch* it is to find a purely resistive 10
ohms....

Date Sujet#  Auteur
20 Dec 24 * Francophones59Cursitor Doom
20 Dec 24 `* Re: Francophones58Liz Tuddenham
20 Dec 24  `* Re: Francophones57Cursitor Doom
20 Dec 24   +* Re: Francophones2Liz Tuddenham
21 Dec 24   i`- Re: Francophones1Allodoxaphobia
21 Dec 24   `* Re: Francophones54Jeroen Belleman
21 Dec 24    `* Re: Francophones53Cursitor Doom
21 Dec 24     `* Re: Francophones52Liz Tuddenham
21 Dec 24      +* Re: Francophones50Cursitor Doom
21 Dec 24      i+* Re: Francophones2Liz Tuddenham
21 Dec 24      ii`- Re: Francophones1Cursitor Doom
21 Dec 24      i`* Re: Francophones47Jeroen Belleman
21 Dec 24      i +* Re: Francophones34Cursitor Doom
21 Dec 24      i i+* Re: Francophones32Jeroen Belleman
21 Dec 24      i ii`* Re: Francophones31Cursitor Doom
21 Dec 24      i ii `* Re: Francophones30Allodoxaphobia
22 Dec 24      i ii  `* Re: Francophones29Cursitor Doom
22 Dec 24      i ii   `* Re: Francophones28Liz Tuddenham
22 Dec 24      i ii    +- Re: Francophones1Cursitor Doom
23 Dec 24      i ii    `* Re: Francophones26piglet
23 Dec 24      i ii     `* Re: Francophones25Ian Jackson
23 Dec 24      i ii      `* Re: Francophones24Arie de Muijnck
23 Dec 24      i ii       +* Re: Francophones5Ralph Mowery
23 Dec 24      i ii       i+* Re: Francophones3Jeroen Belleman
24 Dec 24      i ii       ii`* Re: Francophones2Ian Jackson
24 Dec 24      i ii       ii `- Re: Francophones1Phil Hobbs
24 Dec 24      i ii       i`- Re: Francophones1Ian Jackson
24 Dec 24      i ii       `* Re: Francophones18Ian Jackson
24 Dec 24      i ii        +* Re: Francophones14Cursitor Doom
24 Dec 24      i ii        i`* Re: Francophones13Ian Jackson
25 Dec 24      i ii        i `* Re: Francophones12Cursitor Doom
25 Dec 24      i ii        i  +- Re: Francophones1Jeroen Belleman
25 Dec 24      i ii        i  +* Re: Francophones2Ralph Mowery
25 Dec 24      i ii        i  i`- Re: Francophones1john larkin
25 Dec 24      i ii        i  +- Re: Francophones1Ian Jackson
26 Dec 24      i ii        i  `* Re: Francophones7john larkin
27 Dec 24      i ii        i   +* Re: Francophones5Jeroen Belleman
27 Dec 24      i ii        i   i`* Re: Francophones4john larkin
27 Dec 24      i ii        i   i +* Re: Francophones2Dan Green
27 Dec 24      i ii        i   i i`- Re: Francophones1john larkin
27 Dec 24      i ii        i   i `- Re: Francophones1Jeroen Belleman
29 Dec 24      i ii        i   `- Re: Francophones1john larkin
25 Dec 24      i ii        `* Re: Francophones3john larkin
25 Dec 24      i ii         `* Re: Francophones2Ian Jackson
25 Dec 24      i ii          `- Re: Francophones1john larkin
21 Dec 24      i i`- Re: Francophones1Liz Tuddenham
22 Dec 24      i `* Re: Francophones12Liz Tuddenham
22 Dec 24      i  `* Re: Francophones11Cursitor Doom
22 Dec 24      i   +* Re: Francophones2Liz Tuddenham
22 Dec 24      i   i`- Re: Francophones1Cursitor Doom
22 Dec 24      i   +* Re: Francophones2Jeroen Belleman
22 Dec 24      i   i`- Re: Francophones1Cursitor Doom
22 Dec 24      i   `* Re: Francophones6ehsjr
22 Dec 24      i    `* Re: Francophones5Cursitor Doom
23 Dec 24      i     `* Re: Francophones4Jeff Layman
23 Dec 24      i      `* Re: Francophones3Cursitor Doom
24 Dec 24      i       `* Re: Francophones2Jeff Layman
25 Dec 24      i        `- Re: Francophones1Cursitor Doom
22 Dec 24      `- Re: Francophones1Cursitor Doom

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