Re: The 'have' of possession

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Sujet : Re: The 'have' of possession
De : kehoea (at) *nospam* parhasard.net (Aidan Kehoe)
Groupes : sci.lang alt.usage.english
Date : 30. Apr 2024, 08:40:41
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 Ar an triochadú lá de mí Aibreán, scríobh Peter Moylan:

 > [...] An alternative possibility, I suppose, is that this used to be a
 > standard feature of IE, one that most of the successor languages eventually
 > lost. But that sounds less likely to me.

That’s roughly what the consensus is, though.

https://www.google.com/books?q=%22mihi+est%22+Indo-european

Early Latin preferred the dative + sum construction, haber took over with time.
Note that Latin haber (and its Romance descendants) are not related (beyond a
likely Sprachbund effect) to English ‘to have’ and its Germanic relatives.
Similar dynamic with Greek, and I learn today with Tocharian.

I don’t have a neat explanation as to why both Russian and Irish have all the
palatalisation you could want, though!

--
‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)

Date Sujet#  Auteur
30 Apr 24 * The 'have' of possession13Peter Moylan
30 Apr 24 +* Re: The 'have' of possession5Aidan Kehoe
30 Apr 24 i`* Re: The 'have' of possession4Peter Moylan
30 Apr 24 i +* Re: The 'have' of possession2jerryfriedman
1 May 24 i i`- Re: The 'have' of possession1Peter Moylan
30 Apr 24 i `- Re: The 'have' of possession1Christian Weisgerber
30 Apr 24 +- Re: The 'have' of possession1Ross Clark
30 Apr 24 +- Re: The 'have' of possession1Antonio Marques
30 Apr 24 +* Re: The 'have' of possession2Christian Weisgerber
1 May 24 i`- Re: The 'have' of possession1Tim Lang
2 May 24 +- Re: The 'have' of possession1Snidely
2 May 24 `* Re: The 'have' of possession2Hibou
3 May 24  `- Re: The 'have' of possession1Peter Moylan

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