Re: This must be Bulgarian (audiobook?) -- Russian title is: Гёдель, Ешер, Бах

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Sujet : Re: This must be Bulgarian (audiobook?) -- Russian title is: Гёдель, Ешер, Бах
De : naddy (at) *nospam* mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber)
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Date : 18. May 2024, 19:17:07
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On 2024-05-18, Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> wrote:

I'm remembering, without consulting any books, but I think there is no
actual palatalization before (historic) a,o,u, as one might expect.
The Russian я following palatalized consonant comes from the front nasal
vowel *ę;

There are other sources of я.  Just looking at two feminines on -я:
неделя ‘week’ < PSl. *neděľa
заря ‘dawn, dusk’ < PSl. *zořa

and unless I'm mistaken ю only represents /ju/ in native
Slavic words

любить ‘to love’ < PSl. *ľubiti

Proto-Slavic already had a number of palatalized consonants, most
easily traceable ň, ľ, ř.  Those later merged with the newly
palatalized consonants before front vowels.

So there are clearly native examples of Cʲa and Cʲu.  The lack of
Cʲo is curious.  Leaving aside the later development of ё, Russian
morphology shows an alternation between Cʲe and Co.  I don't know
what to make of that.

Huh, it seems to have been as simple as fronting o > e after
palatal consonants:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Slavic_language#Alternations

This could be related to the fact that the Russian
vowels have fronted allophones after (ё) or between (ю) palatalized
consonants.
>
Yes, this is a better reason for using ё and ю. It also accounts for the
Bulgarians using ьо /jo/. (Found another example: шофьор 'driver'.)

You keep writing /jo/, but there is no /j/. Шофьор is /ʃoˈfʲɔr/.
When an actual /j/ is needed, Bulgarian resorts to й:
Jörg Haider > Йорг Хайдер
yo-yo > йо-йо

Russian also tends to use йо over ё in such contexts.

--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber                          naddy@mips.inka.de

Date Sujet#  Auteur
17 May 24 * Re: This must be Bulgarian (audiobook?) -- Russian title is: Гёдель, Ешер, Бах8Ross Clark
17 May 24 `* Re: This must be Bulgarian (audiobook?) -- Russian title is: Гёдель, Ешер, Бах7Christian Weisgerber
18 May 24  +* Re: This must be Bulgarian (audiobook?) -- Russian title is: Гёдель, Ешер, Бах4Ross Clark
18 May 24  i`* Re: This must be Bulgarian (audiobook?) -- Russian title is: Гёдель, Ешер, Бах3Christian Weisgerber
19 May 24  i +- Re: This must be Bulgarian (audiobook?) -- Russian title is: Гёдель, Ешер, Бах1Peter Moylan
19 May 24  i `- Re: This must be Bulgarian (audiobook?) -- Russian title is: Гёдель, Ешер, Бах1Ross Clark
18 May 24  `* Re: This must be Bulgarian (audiobook?) -- Russian title is: Гёдель, Ешер, Бах2Antonio Marques
18 May 24   `- Re: This must be Bulgarian (audiobook?) -- Russian title is: Гёдель, Ешер, Бах1Aidan Kehoe

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