Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither'

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Sujet : Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither'
De : kehoea (at) *nospam* parhasard.net (Aidan Kehoe)
Groupes : sci.lang alt.usage.english
Date : 26. Apr 2024, 08:26:55
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 Ar an séú lá is fiche de mí Aibreán, scríobh Steve Hayes:

 > On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 09:19:58 +0100, Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net>
 > wrote:
 >
 > >
 > > Ar an cúigiú lá is fiche de mí Aibreán, scríobh Steve Hayes:
 > >
 > > > >Speaking (in sci.lang) of Andy Grove, he uses waffle in the above sense in
 > > > >his good, well-edited ‘High Output Management.’ In my youth I would only
 > > > >have used or understood the word in the meaning ‘to ramble on, to say
 > > > >nothing of much consequence,’ and OED2 documents that the
 > > > >fail-to-make-a-decision sense is colloquial or non-standard.
 > > >
 > > > What is the "above" sense?
 > >
 > >The one in the subject, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither.’
 >
 > Ah, I didn't read it like that. I might have done so if the comma
 > after "waffle" had been replaced by a colon.
 >
 > > > >I presume I have misunderstood various Americans over the years in not
 > > > >picking up on the ‘dither’ meaning. How universal is that meaning over
 > > > >there?
 > > >
 > > > For what values of "that"?
 > >
 > >“Dither,” to fail to make a decision when making a decision would be
 > >appropriate.
 >
 > As in the driver of a car on a multilane highway being unable to
 > decide which lane they want to drive in, and holding up the following
 > traffic while they try to decide?

For example!

Another really common one comes up when a consulting firm (e.g. Accenture) is
hired. The people hiring the consulting firm are the managers of the relevant
business, and their job as managers is to understand and to assess the
conditions of their business and to make decisions based on that understanding
and that assessment, in order to improve their business. They are hiring the
consulting firm to understand and to assess their business and to come up with
decisions based on that understanding and assessment in order that the business
can be improved ...

--
‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)

Date Sujet#  Auteur
25 Apr 24 * To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’33Aidan Kehoe
25 Apr 24 +* Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither'6Steve Hayes
25 Apr 24 i`* Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither'5Aidan Kehoe
26 Apr 24 i `* Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither'4Steve Hayes
26 Apr 24 i  `* Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither'3Aidan Kehoe
26 Apr 24 i   `* Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither'2Chris Elvidge
26 Apr 24 i    `- Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither'1lar3ryca
25 Apr 24 +* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’4Ross Clark
25 Apr 24 i`* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’3Christian Weisgerber
26 Apr 24 i `* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’2Tilde
28 Apr 24 i  `- Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’1Antonio Marques
25 Apr 24 +* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’19jerryfriedman
25 Apr 24 i+* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’17Bertel Lund Hansen
26 Apr 24 ii+- Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’1Peter Moylan
28 Apr 24 ii`* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’15Antonio Marques
29 Apr 24 ii +* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’2Bertel Lund Hansen
29 Apr 24 ii i`- Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’1Antonio Marques
30 Apr 24 ii `* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’12jerryfriedman
30 Apr 24 ii  `* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’11Antonio Marques
30 Apr 24 ii   `* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’10jerryfriedman
1 May 24 ii    `* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’9Antonio Marques
2 May 24 ii     +* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’7Aidan Kehoe
2 May 24 ii     i+- Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’1Snidely
4 May 24 ii     i`* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’5jerryfriedman
24 Jun 24 ii     i `* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’4Aidan Kehoe
24 Jun 24 ii     i  `* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’3jerryfriedman
24 Jun 24 ii     i   `* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’2Antonio Marques
25 Jun 24 ii     i    `- Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’1jerryfriedman
4 May 24 ii     `- Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’1jerryfriedman
25 Apr 24 i`- Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’1lar3ryca
25 Apr 24 +- Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’1Christian Weisgerber
25 Apr 24 `* Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’2Tony Cooper
25 Apr 24  `- Re: To waffle, ?to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither?1LionelEdwards

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