Re: Rio e riu (pt)

Wed, 15 May 2024 16:06:24 -0000 (UTC): Antonio Marques
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Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

Na conjugação do verbo ‘rir’ vemos semelhanças cruzadas em quatro
formas verbais: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rir#Conjugation_3
ri = she laughs
ri = I laughed
E também:
rio = I laugh
riu = she laughed

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I laugh of January
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https://br.pinterest.com/pin/576249714819711035/
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Pergunta: as pronúncias de ‘rio’ e ‘rui’ são idênticas? Ou existe uma
differença subtil? Eu pensaria: em ‘rio’ o acento tónico está no i, em

Diferença. Interference from Interlingua (although I have hardly used
that language recently).

‘riu’ o acento está no ditongo enteiro.

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*alguma (otherwise it suggests you have the exact difference in mind -
which you do have, but then the entire tone of the paragraph changes
markedly)
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*pensaria que em

Couldn't the colon serve the same function as the 'que'?

It depends on dialect. Around Lisbon there's a tendency to pronounce final
-io as a diphthong (whatever the word).
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(Many people also have the mistaken impression that the norm is based on
the speech of that area.)

The 'folksy' pronunciation in Lisbon is markedly different, I think.

Cf. período, que muitos parece dizer como periúdo, porque, penso eu, o
acento não cai no i, mas em <io> pronunciado [iu] ou [iw].

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*parecem

You're right, of course.
But:
Parece que muitos dizem ...
ou
Parece que muitos digam ...
?

-íodo is remarkably problematic for our phonotactics, and what people do is
substitute -iúdo. A stressed [iw] diphthong doesn't work either, although
we sometimes try to make it do.
[Ew] is the other diphthong we have trouble stressing non-finally.

As in neutro and treuze (13). :0)

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Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com