Sujet : Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’
De : kehoea (at) *nospam* parhasard.net (Aidan Kehoe)
Groupes : sci.lang alt.usage.englishDate : 24. Jun 2024, 11:14:52
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Ar an ceathrú lá de mí Bealtaine, scríobh jerryfriedman:
> Aidan Kehoe wrote:
>
>
> > Ar an chéad lá de mí Bealtaine, scríobh Antonio Marques:
>
> > > >>>> Never mind that in the bit that Steve quoted to flippantly inquire
> > > >>>> on what 'that' meant, it was quite explicitly said 'dither'.
> > > >>>
>
> >>> The "it" there isn't idiomatic
>
> > > >> The sentence sounded wrong to me, but even now I'm not sure why. As
> > > >> to 'it', maybe it's not idiomatic, but is it ungrammatical? I don't
> > > >> quite see it.
> > > > > > "It" refers to "dither",
> > > > No, it's an impersonal passive, and I've just found out that for the
> > > > last 30/40 years I may have been using a construct that english
> > > > doesn't have.
>
> > English does have an impersonal passive, and and what you wrote is
> > grammatical, but again, not idiomatic. No one would have noticed or
> > commented except that the sentence was posted to alt.usage.english.
>
> I disagree wth both sentences. What's an example of an impersonal passive in
> English that anyone would say? And if Antonio tries posting sentences like
> that on the Internet as, say, Anthony Marks, I'll bet it wouldn't be long
> till someone asked him what his native language is.
https://books.google.com/books?q="it+was+said"
Now, a lot of those results are from court reports and so don’t qualify as
“anyone would say,” but that register of English is still English.
Is the British Council wrong?
https://learnenglish.britishcouncil.org/grammar/c1-grammar/advanced-passives-review#:~:text=The%20impersonal%20passive%20has%20two,from%20the%20third%20century%20BCE.
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Date | Sujet | # | | Auteur |
25 Apr 24 | To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 33 | | Aidan Kehoe |
25 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither' | 6 | | Steve Hayes |
25 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither' | 5 | | Aidan Kehoe |
26 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither' | 4 | | Steve Hayes |
26 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither' | 3 | | Aidan Kehoe |
26 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither' | 2 | | Chris Elvidge |
26 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, 'to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither' | 1 | | lar3ryca |
25 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 4 | | Ross Clark |
25 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 3 | | Christian Weisgerber |
26 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 2 | | Tilde |
28 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 1 | | Antonio Marques |
25 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 19 | | jerryfriedman |
25 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 17 | | Bertel Lund Hansen |
26 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 1 | | Peter Moylan |
28 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 15 | | Antonio Marques |
29 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 2 | | Bertel Lund Hansen |
29 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 1 | | Antonio Marques |
30 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 12 | | jerryfriedman |
30 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 11 | | Antonio Marques |
30 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 10 | | jerryfriedman |
1 May 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 9 | | Antonio Marques |
2 May 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 7 | | Aidan Kehoe |
2 May 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 1 | | Snidely |
4 May 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 5 | | jerryfriedman |
24 Jun 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 4 | | Aidan Kehoe |
24 Jun 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 3 | | jerryfriedman |
24 Jun 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 2 | | Antonio Marques |
25 Jun 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 1 | | jerryfriedman |
4 May 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 1 | | jerryfriedman |
25 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 1 | | lar3ryca |
25 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 1 | | Christian Weisgerber |
25 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, ‘to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither’ | 2 | | Tony Cooper |
25 Apr 24 | Re: To waffle, ?to waver, to vacillate, to equivocate, to dither? | 1 | | LionelEdwards |