Re: Official German spelling update

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Sujet : Re: Official German spelling update
De : no_email (at) *nospam* invalid.invalid (Antonio Marques)
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Date : 16. Jul 2024, 16:22:07
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Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:
15 Jul 2024 19:46:05 GMT: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
scribeva:
 
ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
understand the expression "Vielen Dank!" we can't analyze
it further. It's opaque to us.
 
The "vielen" feels as if the formally singular "Dank" is taken
"semantically" to be a plural.
 
Why? It's a singular masculin accusative!

Be that as it may, that's precisely how I've felt about it for a long time,
and the mismatch is what prompted me to ask for clarification.

And to read it as a count noun, I'd need 'viel' rather than 'vielen'. Cf
'viel Glück', not 'vieles'.

So I rather thought it was a fossil form, possibly misanalyzed to the
mondegreen point, maybe even missing a syllable at the end, or /dank/ not
even being originally the noun form.

That some confusion does exist around it seems to be supported by Stefan's
quotations.




Date Sujet#  Auteur
9 Jul 24 * Official German spelling update29Christian Weisgerber
10 Jul 24 +- Re: Official German spelling update1HenHanna
13 Jul 24 +* Re: Official German spelling update2Paul Carmichael
13 Jul 24 i`- Re: Official German spelling update1HenHanna
13 Jul 24 `* Re: Official German spelling update25Christian Weisgerber
13 Jul 24  `* Re: Official German spelling update24Aidan Kehoe
14 Jul 24   `* Re: Official German spelling update23Christian Weisgerber
14 Jul 24    `* Re: Official German spelling update22Antonio Marques
14 Jul 24     +* Re: Official German spelling update19Stefan Ram
14 Jul 24     i`* Re: Official German spelling update18Ruud Harmsen
15 Jul 24     i `* Re: Official German spelling update17Antonio Marques
15 Jul 24     i  +* Re: Official German spelling update15Stefan Ram
15 Jul 24     i  i+- Re: Official German spelling update1Stefan Ram
15 Jul 24     i  i`* Re: Official German spelling update13Stefan Ram
15 Jul 24     i  i +* Re: Official German spelling update2Stefan Ram
15 Jul 24     i  i i`- Re: Official German spelling update1Stefan Ram
16 Jul 24     i  i `* Re: Official German spelling update10Ruud Harmsen
16 Jul 24     i  i  +* Re: Official German spelling update8Antonio Marques
16 Jul 24     i  i  i`* Re: Official German spelling update7Stefan Ram
16 Jul 24     i  i  i +- Re: Official German spelling update1Helmut Richter
16 Jul 24     i  i  i `* Re: Official German spelling update5Stefan Ram
17 Jul 24     i  i  i  `* Re: Official German spelling update4Antonio Marques
17 Jul 24     i  i  i   +* Re: Official German spelling update2Stefan Ram
17 Jul 24     i  i  i   i`- Re: Official German spelling update1Stefan Ram
17 Jul 24     i  i  i   `- Re: Official German spelling update1Christian Weisgerber
16 Jul 24     i  i  `- Re: Official German spelling update1Antonio Marques
15 Jul 24     i  `- Re: Official German spelling update1Christian Weisgerber
14 Jul 24     +- Re: Official German spelling update1Christian Weisgerber
14 Jul 24     `- Re: Official German spelling update1Ruud Harmsen

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