Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...

On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 06:26:10 +0100, Hibou
<vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

Le 29/07/2024 à 22:24, Rich Ulrich a écrit :

Hibou wrote:

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I've been called stupid countless times, especially in Usenet fora, and
met many who have clung to demonstrably false beliefs (dear old
fr.soc.religion in its heyday!) - too many, I think, to infer that they
were all suffering from some syndrome or other. It's just human nature,
innit?

 
I will repeat, neurotypicals (NTs) and Aspies overlap a lot. But when
a person shows a bunch of separate, rare traits ...

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I don't think clinging to debating positions is rare, and dismissing
critics as stupid or liars is one way of doing so. (It reminds me of
dictatorships.)

I'm reminded of that maxim taught to teachers, "There is no such
thing as a stupid question."  Bob never learned that one, nor (it
seemed) the concept of someone being misled or otherwise mistaken.

Starting a discussion by saying "you must be stupid" is even worse
than saying "that is a stupid idea" -- IIRC, he never made that
distinction, either.

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that is what
adds up to a diagnosis. And, How often does a behavior show up?
 
I counted at one time -- in a month, Bob called 11 different people
Stupid or Liar.  Or it might have been about that many for each
word (it's been a long time). Do you excuse that as 'human nature'?

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I don't excuse it at all.
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I found myself interacting with him a lot because I had sort of taken
on the task of a monitor in the stats groups,

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A self-appointed moderator?

Yep.  This was an open group, but I took it on myself to see that
every question got some response.  At the least, I would ask if
anybody had a suggestion of what other group might be relevant.

And I would at least try to deflect his hostile attention to myself,
while apologizing to the Poster.

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and he was prone to
(even) start out, like, "You must be stupid to ask THAT."  This was
from a guy who spent his working life as a college professor who
was not well liked by his students (and there is another story,
there).

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He appears to have been a big influence in your life.

Yes -- I had worked on psychiatric research for 35 years, learning
about schizophrenia, depression, borderline personality, hyperactive
kids, and a little bit about what I still call 'retarded'.  But I knew
nothing of autism or Aspies. To figure him out, once I got as far as
'autism', I read multiple books, and I started reading the autism
group (no relevant posts, now, in years). It added a new range to
my understanding of how people screw up in their reasoning and
coping.

I suppose that figuring out Trump's problems has been a comparable
course of study, though less successful.  True Narcissists, it turns
out, are practically beyond predicting (if you aren't one?).  The
notion of 'dual diagnosis' helps, with Trump, I figure, since he is
also a sociopath -- a somewhat easier diagnosis.

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I don't know how much of their problem is created or influenced
by the aftermath of their own social ineptness -- a feature
have not been discussing. The Usenet autism group once posted
a note by a woman who said that her child's kindergarten teacher
praised the daughter for her 'maturity' since she never joined in
when kids were bullying or hassling. The teacher did not
recognize that the daughter was not mature, she simply did not
UNDERSTAND why the  bullying was taking place; she did not
join in automatically, because she did not fit in.
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Aspies are not insulted by the same things neurotypicals
consider insulting, so they make social mistakes. They get called
Stupid or Liar when they claim they did not UNDERSTAND that
someone would (or would not) be offended by something.
" - Okay, you insulted my shirt.  My mama picked it out, not me.
Why should I be offended?"  Or the Aspie might insult a shirt,
while imagining they were offering a trivial observation. [...]

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Goodness me! I am learning a lot. (I have Asperger's myself.)

 
You're welcome?

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Do please continue. I'm eager to learn more.

--
Rich Ulrich