Sujet : Re: Somewheres
De : snidely.too (at) *nospam* gmail.com (Snidely)
Groupes : alt.usage.english sci.langDate : 05. Sep 2024, 03:06:33
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Christian Weisgerber suggested that ...
On 2024-09-02, Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
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Have you ever wondered why the third person plural present tense
forms of Italian verbs are so strangely stressed, e.g., pàrlano
instead of *parlàno? And where is that -o from anyway?
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So that was an example where something was added at the end of
words. I don't intend this as an invalidation of the general
observation that there is a longtime trend of phonetic erosion, but
I want to show that actual language history is complex and circuitous.
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Here's another one. From the King James Version, you may be familiar
with the second person singular indicative ending -(e)st (-t in
some verbs), "thou thinkest" etc. German also has -st across the
second person singular. Clearly, -st is an old 2SG marker...
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... Except, Slavic has -š there. Latin, not a language to drop final
-t, has -s. Even Gothic has -s, and if you look at the variants
in early Old English and Old High German, the original 2SG ending
is also -s.
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Where did the -t come from? There are two hypotheses. One, dismissed
by Ringe (and I'm skeptical as well), is from missegmentation when
the subject pronoun (tu ~ þu) followed the verb. The other involves
the appearance of -s-t due to sound changes in some preterite-present
verbs, reanalysis as -st, and spread to other verbs. Remarkably,
this appears to have happened independently in both English and
German.
I relate all this discussion to what Charlton Laird (sr, IIRC) considered two fundamental principles of language change:
1) People are lazy, leading to simplification.
2) People are inventive, leading to new words and new constructions.
/dps
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