Sujet : Re: national lowercase day (14 october)
De : kehoea (at) *nospam* parhasard.net (Aidan Kehoe)
Groupes : sci.langDate : 15. Oct 2024, 16:46:29
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Ar an cúigiú lá déag de mí Deireadh Fómhair, scríobh Ross Clark:
> On 15/10/2024 11:56 a.m., Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> > On 2024-10-14, Ross Clark <
benlizro@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> >> but bicamerality did not become general in europe until 1300
> >> and took some time to more or less stabilize in english
> >> you probably noticed in the text quoted yesterday from the time of henry
> >> iv, all nouns capitalized (as still in german)
> >
> > In the 19th century, there was a fashion in the German linguistic
> > literature, I think, to abandon noun capitalization. Notably the
> > _Deutsches Wörterbuch_ (German Dictionary) started by the Brothers
> > Grimm stuck to this.
> >
>
> I meant to mention that something like this capitalization practice persisted
> in English at least until late in the 18th century. I noticed it when reading
> narratives of voyages to the Pacific at that period. More particularly, it
> shows up in (carefully transcribed) journals of voyagers such as Cook. An
> example from George Robertson at Tahiti, 1767:
> ----------------------
> All the way that we ran allong shore we saw the whole coast full of Canoes, and
> the country had the most Beautiful appearance its possible to Imagin from the
> shore side one two and three miles Back their is a fine Leavel country that
> appears to be all laid out in plantations, and the regular built Houses seems
> to be without number, all along the Coast, they appeard lyke long Farmers Barns
> and seemd to be all very neatly thatched, with great Numbers of Cocoa Nut
> Trees....
> ----------------
>
> This looks roughly like capitalization of lexical words for emphasis, rather
> than on any grammatical basis.
I wonder have any studies been done comparing uneducated German-speakers to
uneducated English-speakers and the skill in determining parts of speech. It
wouldn’t shock me if the English-speakers were worse at it, given less need to
decline nouns and adjectives. I suppose these days it would have to be done on
pre-literate children.
> By contrast the published accounts, even when based on journals, seem to have
> completely modern usage of capitals.
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