Equivalence principle

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Sujet : Equivalence principle
De : fortunati.luigi (at) *nospam* gmail.com (Luigi Fortunati)
Groupes : sci.physics.research
Date : 08. Jun 2024, 18:40:15
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[Moderator's note: In the moderation process for this posting, I've cut
by accident the first lines of the message; so here's there complete
posting again. HvH]

In the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3LjJeeae68 at minute 6:56
it states that there is no measurement that can be made to distinguish
whether you’re being accelerated or whether you are sitting still on the
surface of a planet.

So, I ask: what stops us from measuring the presence (or absence) of
tidal forces? If tidal forces are there, then we are stationary on the
surface of a planet, if they are not there, we are experiencing a
non-gravitational acceleration.

Luigi Fortunati

[Moderator's remark: One has to keep in mind that the equivalence
principle is a local concept, i.e., the equivalence between the
observations in a gravitational field and in an accelerated frame of
reference in free space refers only to very small space-time regions. A
"true gravitational field" is of course never entirely equivalent to an
accelerated frame in flat Minkowski space, because according to GR the
gravitational field leads to space-time curvature, i.e., a non-vanishing
Riemann tensor, while Minkowski space is flat, which are
coordinate-independent notions, and only such notions are physically
interpretable.

Of course tidal forces are well observable, cf. the tides on Earth,
where the name "tidal force" refers to.

HvH.]

Date Sujet#  Auteur
8 Jun 24 * Equivalence principle9Luigi Fortunati
10 Jun 24 +* Re: Equivalence principle7Mikko
10 Jun 24 i+* Re: Equivalence principle5Hendrik van Hees
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13 Jun 24 ii  `* Re: Equivalence principle2Luigi Fortunati
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