Re: The momentum - a cotangent vector?

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Sujet : Re: The momentum - a cotangent vector?
De : ram (at) *nospam* zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
Groupes : sci.physics.research
Date : 10. Aug 2024, 08:16:00
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ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) schrieb oder zitierte:
How can I see that (given that q' is a tangential vector)
p is a cotangential vector?

  Here's a little calculation I whipped up in the realm of good
  old classical mechanics, no relativity involved.

  I'm starting with the well-known formula

E = 1/2 m v^2

  Using Cartan's calculus, from this, I come up with:

dE = m v dv + 1/2 v^2 dm.

  And since dm = 0 (I assume the mass is constant):

dE = p dv.

  Now let's write out the implied scalar product as "*":

dE = p * dv.

  This "p *" is now a covector acting like a linear function, mapping
  changes in velocity (a vector) to changes in energy (a scalar).

  BTW, we also can derive the "other" relationship dE = v dp!

  Writing "1/2 m v^2" as "1/2 m v v", we can see that

E = 1/2 p v

  , so,

dE = 1/2 p dv + 1/2 v dp

  . But since we already had established that dE is "p dv" for a
  constant mass m, "1/2 p dv" must be "1/2 dE", so that,

dE = 1/2 dE + 1/2 v dp.

  Subtracting "1/2 dE" on both sides gives:

1/2 dE = 1/2 v dp,

  and multiplication by 2,

dE = v dp.

  So, dE is both "v dp" and "p dv" when the mass m is constant!

Date Sujet#  Auteur
7 Aug 24 * The momentum - a cotangent vector?9Stefan Ram
7 Aug 24 +* Re: The momentum - a cotangent vector?6Mikko
8 Aug 24 i+* Re: The momentum - a cotangent vector?4Stefan Ram
8 Aug 24 ii+- Re: The momentum - a cotangent vector?1Hendrik van Hees
8 Aug 24 ii+- Re: The momentum - a cotangent vector?1Mikko
9 Aug 24 ii`- Re: The momentum - a cotangent vector?1Stefan Ram
8 Aug 24 i`- Re: The momentum - a cotangent vector?1Mikko
9 Aug 24 +- Re: The momentum - a cotangent vector?1Hendrik van Hees
10 Aug 24 `- Re: The momentum - a cotangent vector?1Stefan Ram

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