Re: inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke)

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Sujet : Re: inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke)
De : fortunati.luigi (at) *nospam* gmail.com (Luigi Fortunati)
Groupes : sci.physics.research
Date : 28. Feb 2025, 15:44:42
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Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color to reply] il 26/02/2025 09:02:15 ha
scritto:
In article <vpd0kg$23r6$1@dont-email.me>, Luigi Fortunati writes:
In my animation https://www.geogebra.org/m/rs4cfxzg body A of 5 particles
collides inelastically with body B of 3 particles.

...

How is it possible that, during the collision, there is a transfer of
momentum from body A to body B if the action of body A on body B is
*equal* to the opposite reaction of body B on body A?
>
The answer is that the momentum transfer during the collision is actually
*two-way*, i.e., *each* body transfers some momentum to the other body.
That is, during the collision A's momentum changes (because B transfers
some momentum to A), AND B's momentum changes (because A transfers some
momentum to B).
>
Let's work this out in detail:
Before the collision:
   p_A_before = +5
   p_B_before = -3
   p_total_before = p_A_before+p_B_before = +2
After the collision:
  p_A_after = +1.25
  p_B_after = +0.75,
  p_total_after = p_A_after+p_B_after = +2
Thus, *during* the collision, the bodies momenta change by these amounts:
  Delta_p_A = p_A_after-p_A_before = -3.75
  Delta_p_B = p_B_after-p_B_before = +3.75
  Delta_p_total = Delta_p_A+Delta_p_B = 0
>
In other words, during the collison B transfers momentum -3.75 to A,
so that A's momentum changes by Delta_p_A=-3.75.  AND, during the
collision A transfers momentum +3.75 to B, so that B's momentum changes
by Delta_p_B=+3.75.

Body B has a momentum -3 and, therefore, cannot transfer -3.75 to body
A because it does not have it.

What happens is something else.

In the first 3 instants, body B experiences a counterforce +3 from body
A and stops because it no longer has any momentum (pB=-3+3=0).

In the following instants, a further +0.75 hits it that it can no
longer counteract and that +0.75 becomes a "net" force that accelerates
it to the right (remember that it had just stopped after the first 3
instants!).

Therefore, body B experiences the force FA_B=+3.75, reacts with the
counterforce FB_A=-3 and accelerates due to the residual uncontested
force +0.75.

Ciao, Luigi.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
26 Jan 25 * Newton e Hooke24Luigi Fortunati
30 Jan 25 +* Re: Newton e Hooke3Luigi Fortunati
5 Feb 25 i`* Re: Newton e Hooke2Luigi Fortunati
10 Feb 25 i `- Re: Newton e Hooke1Luigi Fortunati
12 Feb 25 `* Re: Newton e Hooke20Jonathan Thornburg [remove color- to reply]
14 Feb 25  `* Re: Newton e Hooke19Luigi Fortunati
16 Feb 25   +* Re: Newton e Hooke5Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color to reply]
16 Feb 25   i`* Re: Newton e Hooke4Luigi Fortunati
17 Feb 25   i +* Re: Newton e Hooke2Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color to reply]
17 Feb 25   i i`- Re: Newton e Hooke1Luigi Fortunati
18 Feb 25   i `- Re: Newton e Hooke1Tom Roberts
16 Feb 25   `* Re: Newton e Hooke13Luigi Fortunati
17 Feb 25    `* Re: Newton e Hooke12Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color to reply]
18 Feb 25     `* Re: Newton e Hooke11Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color to reply]
20 Feb 25      `* Re: Newton e Hooke10Luigi Fortunati
22 Feb 25       `* Re: Newton e Hooke9Luigi Fortunati
26 Feb 25        `* inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke)8Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color to reply]
28 Feb 25         `* Re: inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke)7Luigi Fortunati
1 Mar 25          +* Re: inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke)5Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color to reply]
3 Mar 25          i`* Re: inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke)4Luigi Fortunati
12 Mar 25          i `* Re: inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke)3Luigi Fortunati
16 Mar 25          i  `* Re: inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke)2Luigi Fortunati
16 Mar 25          i   `- Re: inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke)1Luigi Fortunati
2 Mar 25          `- Re: inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke)1Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color to reply]

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