Sujet : Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed …
De : ddantgwyn (at) *nospam* mail.ru (Nick)
Groupes : soc.culture.bulgariaDate : 01. Apr 2025, 20:11:10
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 15:06:50 -0700, Radostina wrote:
On 3/30/2025 2:38 AM, Nick wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 21:28:59 -0700, Radostina wrote:
Друг човек купил земя, и след това сам си построил място за живеене но
започнал с постройка като хангар, която купил за $6000 и след това за
кабели, панели и каквото още трябва още толкова, за мебели, прибори и
тн.
всичко му е излязло под $20 000. Сега има животни, сади много неща и
живеят сами с жена си на тишина, спокойствие и здрава чиста храна.
Ако хората бяха човеци, с роботите и изобщо технологиите и
внедренията,
животът на всички би бил по-добър. Но ще стане точно обратното.
Та който може, да се спасява. Единствено off grid.
Добре де, имаш ли идея как човек, избрал да живее off grid, ще оцелее
без мебели, прибори, кабели etc?! Нали тези неща идват от някъде,
най-често from grid.
Защото аз не виждам - това е точно връщане 300-400-500 години назад.
Прочети Азимов — „Стоманените пещери“ и следващите след нея. Може да
наблегнеш на Солария, доста добре е описано обществото там.
Има хора, които го правят.
Идея имам, подробности нямам.
Off grid не значи изолиран от света.
А ти запитвал ли си се как оцеляват амишите. Те дори електричество
нямат.
Знам как оцеляват амишите - вече казах, че е връщане 300-400-500 години
назад. Няма как всички хора да живеят като тях.
Аз не мога, но много хора са сръчни в това отношение и си строят къщите
сами, използват най-различни, дори отпадъчни материали, имат генератор,
имат слънчеви панели, дъждовна вода и някое езерце или поточе.
А генераторите откъде идват, мебелите, даже отпадъчните материали?
Някои използват стари контейнери, други живеят в юрта, трети строят с
дърво, камъни и кал. Но както казах трябва да си сръчен и да имаш
понятие. Мебелите от garage sale, други си ги правят сами.
Моите мебели така или иначе са от "боклука" (в богати квартали понякога
просто ги оставят до боклука), garage sale или втора ръка. Като има
желание, човек намира начин. Определено не е за всеки и не е за сам
човек (в повечето случаи). И да, трябва да се лишиш от много неща.
Нямам всички отговори. Най ми е интересно системата за водата как се
прави и отпадъците къде отиват... но човек се учи.
Значи не е алтернатива ;)
-- «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»
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28 Mar 25 | Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 54 | | Nick |
28 Mar 25 |  Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 53 | | Radostina |
28 Mar 25 |   Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 34 | | Nick |
29 Mar 25 |    Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 33 | | Radostina |
30 Mar 25 |     Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 27 | | Nick |
30 Mar 25 |      Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 26 | | Radostina |
30 Mar 25 |       Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 25 | | Nick |
31 Mar 25 |        Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 24 | | Radostina |
1 Apr 25 |         Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 1 | | Chorbalan Chorbalanov Chorbalanski |
1 Apr 25 |         Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 22 | | Nick |
2 Apr 25 |          Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 21 | | Radostina |
2 Apr 25 |           Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 6 | | Chorbalan Chorbalanov Chorbalanski |
2 Apr 25 |            Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 5 | | Radostina |
2 Apr 25 |             Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 4 | | Nick |
2 Apr 25 |              Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 3 | | Radostina |
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2 Apr 25 |                Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 1 | | Radostina |
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2 Apr 25 |            Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 13 | | Radostina |
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2 Apr 25 |              Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 3 | | Radostina |
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3 Apr 25 |                Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 1 | | Radostina |
2 Apr 25 |             Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 8 | | Chorbalan Chorbalanov Chorbalanski |
3 Apr 25 |              Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 7 | | Radostina |
3 Apr 25 |               Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 6 | | Nick |
3 Apr 25 |                Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 4 | | Chorbalan Chorbalanov Chorbalanski |
3 Apr 25 |                 Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 3 | | Nick |
3 Apr 25 |                  Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 2 | | Chorbalan Chorbalanov Chorbalanski |
3 Apr 25 |                   Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 1 | | Nick |
3 Apr 25 |                Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 1 | | Radostina |
30 Mar 25 |     Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 5 | | Chorbalan Chorbalanov Chorbalanski |
31 Mar 25 |      Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 4 | | Radostina |
1 Apr 25 |       Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 3 | | Chorbalan Chorbalanov Chorbalanski |
1 Apr 25 |        Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 2 | | Radostina |
2 Apr 25 |         Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 1 | | Chorbalan Chorbalanov Chorbalanski |
28 Mar 25 |   Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 18 | | Chorbalan Chorbalanov Chorbalanski |
30 Mar 25 |    Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 17 | | Radostina |
30 Mar 25 |     Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 8 | | Nick |
31 Mar 25 |      Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 7 | | Radostina |
1 Apr 25 |       Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 5 | | Chorbalan Chorbalanov Chorbalanski |
1 Apr 25 |        Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 4 | | Radostina |
2 Apr 25 |         Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 3 | | Chorbalan Chorbalanov Chorbalanski |
2 Apr 25 |          Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 1 | | Radostina |
2 Apr 25 |          Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 1 | | Nick |
1 Apr 25 |       Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 1 | | Nick |
30 Mar 25 |     Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 8 | | Nick |
31 Mar 25 |      Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 7 | | Radostina |
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2 Apr 25 |        Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 5 | | Radostina |
2 Apr 25 |         Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 4 | | Nick |
2 Apr 25 |          Re: Not so bad, actually - Why Soviet cities are insanely well designed … | 3 | | Radostina |
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