Many discussions on Lai's recognizing the ROC with a 113 years of history. He is certainly breaking with more traditional TI supporters who see Taiwan's (Taiwan as an independent nation) history began with the ROC took over such as Tsai. But the question is toward what end? Currently, many in Taiwan see Taiwan Independence as a dead end. Many DPP members wanted to discard the ROC as Taiwan's official name or to change the ROC Constitution at a minimum. But all such motion and emotion were suppressed by the high level DPP members. They dare not. Looking out to the future, time is really not on the side of those who still want Taiwan Independence. Some younger generation from the TI heartland still don't know they are currently citizens of the ROC and/or don't recognize the legitimacy of the ROC. But most educated people understand the idiocy of assuming the Taiwan is really the ROT, not ROC. Lai minority position also force him to embrace the ROC. The question now is whether Lai, the golden grandson (3rd generation leader) of the TI movement, is prepared to gamble. Would Lai declare Taiwan independence without explicit approval of the US? This would certainly force the PROC to act. And hopefully, Lai's declaration could cause the West to rise up against the PROC in support of an independent ROC aka ROT ?