I am here to _destroy_ this throne that you seem to want

 title: Who Will Crown King Messiah? The King of Edom
 source: Rav Avraham Shira
 link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S-elju9ar8&t=272s

   Someone wrote a reply under this, along the lines of "if you
   'moshiach' are reading this, then I support you and you will succeed".
   Exact text below in quotes.

   Reply ...

Look dudes, you are talking about your private psychology & life. You
are talking about idols and fantasy. What is the root of the Torah
? It was given through none other than Moshe Rabbeinu, and there was
nobody else to do that job. What was so special about him ? Blah blah
Rabbinical gobblygook ? Cabballistic stories about sparks and "klippah"
and Sefiroth ? Look at the story, and then my point is: look at yourselves
/ ourselves, okay ? What _actually happened._ The Torah is about what
really happens. Not about fantasy like the idolatry craziness. It's not
about "wars of the gods". Physical and real.

Moshe Rabbeinu grows up at the court. Is that special ? Yes, but many
people grew up at the court, did the Torah come from them ? No. Moshe
Rabbeinu probably had a comfortable life at the court, I imagine. Then
he saw two 'Israelites' being abused by guards and ... *he kills those
guards.* How many people do that. Very few do that. He had to run to
the desert, and I imagine he would be killed if found. It gets even more
heroic, however.

He returns to his people. I doubt the Egyptian ruling class is eager
to see someone who murdered some of their guards, while they took care
of this person at their court, and now even wants to organize a slave
rebellion ? How many slave rebellions where there, anyway, in Earth
history. Where the Israelites slaves ? Apparently so, they where at
least gravely oppressed, as far as I understood the story. He returns
! Is this guy suicidal, is this guy nuts ?

This guy is literally the greatest hero who ever lived on Earth, okay
? Let's get that acknowledged right here. From what this guy did, with
the help of heaven I guess, we get this Torah, the prophets, and then
there is a thing in there about this 'moshiach'. This 'moshiach' would
do something kind of similar as to Moshe Rabbeinu.

What did Moshe Rabbeinu do ? Through him came a lot of laws, and that is
the main thing, and he led a people out of slavery - an entire people,
through again great dangers. Dudes, when are you going to get to it,
ok ? When are you going to act like Moshe Rabbeinu ? Laws for entire
Nations ? Did you write down _anything,_  and when I try to debate the
Torah with you, nothing ! Not only is there no laws for Nations, not
only is there no saving of slaves personally at what is pretty much a
suicide mission, even when the topic goes to the already existing Torah
and mistakes by the Rabbis are pointed out, you don't even care !

Did you kill some criminals who where abusing someone, or at least saved
the day for the victims ? in which case, wow! and can you please tell the
story right now ? I'll be the first to admit that I also never murdered
any criminals with my own hands.

See, you are focussed on your own inner world, your own fantasy and
psychology, and _perhaps_ you think you could be a decent Minister in
a Parliament because you care ? A prime-minister, a King ? Why you, and
who cares ? There have been many Kings, there have been many ministers,
some corrupt, some not too bad, some did their best, others filled
their own pockets, but this level of activity has yet to establish a
real peace. You guys don't know even the topic at hand: 1. reality,
2. freedom and a life for slaves who otherwise could be good people,
which means: 3. laws for an entire Nation, 4. actually doing it.

These days it seems people think this matters: Kabalahblabla "the klippah
the klippah!", Sefiroth and the sparks. Uhhh ???? What ?! Then it is
about _hell_ or it is about giving charity (at least that is good). Oh
goodness, their Temple, non stop their Temple. Didn't Egypt have temples
? At least there is some morality sprinkled in, but what do we read in
the Torah and what is it all about ? First thing is that the land gets
distributed to all as a right _forever._ First thing they do ! Massively
important. Do you hear anyone about it these days ? Nope, nothing. You
talk about it, they ignore it. The Torah is about how can these people
live, without making each other into slaves. It is literally about
freeing slaves, it is about being honest in businest, not to murder,
it is about safety in the home and a safe home for children with their
own mother and their own father, all of them. It is about being good
to each other by providing financial help, easy loans, it is about not
working ourselves into slavery by having a rest day every 7 days; and
many more rest days over that. It is about not gossiping. It is about
a true and honest, fair and balanced civilization, and how to do that.

It's not about your personal depression as such, sorry. It is about
serious topics, which should be solved on a National level. Such as the
right to land, which has been ruined by the Rabbis, and that's potentially
part of why we see this disaster now in the Zionist State. No right to
land. They messed up other important aspects as well.

Anyway; I was reading these books of the Jesus system and Islam, and I
didn't like them much (although Islam has some good in it, and may be fit
for Arabs), and then I bought a Tanach, and I read these books from an
enemy perspective. I study the enemy, because they are going to want to
kill us all when we get anywhere near a peace, and they pull out their
'messiah' mania, so we need to be prepared against these people. I read
this Tanach and I discover how great it is, and I literally am reading
about my own life all of a sudden, because it matches. While it may be
true that all lives match to some extend, there is a lot that matches
here, and not much that doesn't. I won't go into the details, but there
is enough matching to say: _it could be._

This is the difference perhaps between you and me: I don't like it,
and I am here to _destroy_ this throne that you seem to want. There can
be no _throne_ over humanity. It is too big, and it is also a disgrace
of dictatorship - it is wrong. Anyway, suddenly I discover, the Tanach
is on my side, because if my program is going to succeed, they will
likely make statues of me like they did of Marx and Stalin, and that
is wrong. Marx thought he could end the idolatry by just outlawing,
but it didn't work. He himself became the god.

My goal it pretty simple: to spread power to all people in an effective
and functioning way, basically based on whatever works already, and
then tweaked kind of to optimize it a bit, and that's it. A King is
the opposite of that. However the enemy is the opposite, they want to
centralize all control, and they finally did it. The position 'secratary
general' at the UN is a prototype for what will likely become the World
Dictator, the King over the entire world. You think that is fantasy
? If you do, it is because you don't think about these topics. The
U.N. is the American global Empire, and it is already a Government and
a State. This kind of thing tends to end with one head at the top, one
way or the other even. Anyway, I could go on like this for another page
or 10, and maybe that is also the point. That is the topic: Government,
people, laws, principles and methods of economics, life in general.

But see, I though okay this guy want to talk to me, so let's have a
little fun here and reply. Nothing comes out of that, see ? I point out
the problems in the Torah ? Nobody even cares ! Humanity is incredibly
stupid, I'm sorry to say, and of course I'm part of that. I unfortunately
cannot just download what I think into your brains directly, you must
want to learn about some of these important topics on your own, such as
the right to land. People talk about this "hiding" of 'moshiach'. This is
nonsense, because the Torah is there, in your hand ! You don't need any
'moshiach' you just need to stop lying about it !

Then when once in a while you drop a clue, nobody also investigates
anything. They merely shoot from random and their emotions, typically
rejection of course - to which I totally agree ! I hate this idolatry,
so I hate this too, this 'moshiach' garbage, and then these lying Rabbis
everywhere, unbelievable. Why not then argue the case secularly, isn't
that superior ? Of course it is, what do you think I have been doing and
continue to do ? It is not about this one person, goodness sakes. It is
about Tyranny, war, stupidity, injustice in all the streets, stupidity
ruling the Nation(s).

Anyway, my goal is to end all this madness once and for all, break the
throne you all want to put this 'moshiach' on, and then relax and play a
game of Go or two (Baduk). I am getting a bit better at it, it's fun. Have
a great day ;-).

P.S. Prepare your houses for hard times. They are going to have World
War 3, although by now probably most people realize it

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End reply. Continuing on Usenet.

So you see that this is the program, at least the one I am proposing:
basically the destruction of all craziness, the end of the idolatry I
guess. No throne over the world. Not your 'moshiach' sitting on a throne
over the whole world.

This throne that you want: shattered on the ground, ripped to shreds,
burned and already forgotten (so to say). No throne over the world.

Ha ha ha - Gotcha ;-).

It's too big, is that really the essential answer. That is a big part of
it, but the other is that a throne is a dictatorship, and that is a
disgrace. It's monkey behavior. We are humans, we should be able to talk
and find a solution together, and then do it because we care. That is
'the ultimate', meaning that it may not yet be possible to reach that at
some point (like perhaps, today), but it is the goal.

So many idolators want a throne over the whole world, and their idol on
it, forever. You have that now already, and you have that on a smaller
scale in all kinds of dictatorial Nations. To a degree it doesn't matter
if the Tyrannical Empire is 10 million persons big, or 10 Billion. You
already have lived that dictatorship, even if it usually wasn't global.
It becoming global, is only a lot worse, because of the absolutism
inherent in it. There are no other cultures anymore, and beyond the
Earth there is not a lot of human culture going on, or nothing at all.

We are right now in this One Throne over the world condition, and the
person sitting on it is essentially the Secretary General of the UN.
Happy now ? Is it working out for you ? No, it is not working out at
all.

You could hence say, that my goal is to destroy that throne, the chair
this UN 'secretary general' is sitting on. It is more or less, a sort of
final throne where all the wars and evil on the Earth have led to (at
this point), and in some way it could be argued that it is an end point,
because when before was there ever a State, a Government, on this level
on the Earth ? The entire world is more or less encompassed by it, even
though it hasn't reached true dictatorial or tyrannical powers (yet).
It exists as an entity, and it is intrenched. It's power can now grow in
depth, and become worse and worse.

I already see signs of this United Nations power in the country where
I ride my bicycle. It already reached that level. They claim power over
this or that part of our natural lands (typically). Then there is the
European Union flag all over as well, which is another impossible
Empire, a level of control just one step below the United Nations. So
you see that not only do they have the United Nations which is already
huge, they also have the middle level management systems in place, such
as the USA, the E.U., China, India, other huge and crazy large places.
It's all one system already.

A big war, another roll over of the generations and the necessary
propaganda, and they could have so much more control than they have now
that it really starts to feel that these global criminal groups are the
Government you are ultimately dealing with.

See, it's not like merely a concept that needs to be overturned. It is a
reality already. It's not merely and only a fantastical thing in the
minds of idolators, this 'throne of the world'. In the olden days of
some centuries past, this throne was for example Vatican city and the
pope, the Chinese Emperor in China, and so on. It was smaller, but the
same: too big, and dictatorial if not Tyrannical.

This is what needs to be overturned, and the way to do it is: to listen
to each other, be capable and willing to have decent conversations with
each other, solve problems reasonable, get to it.

The whole thing is basically just totally reasonable, and if you think
'where is the catch' well, there kind of isn't a catch. That is just
what it is essentially: an attempt to be reasonable. That's all. It's
kind of simple in that way. In that void you feel left behind perhaps,
in that anti-climax, I hope you will find yourself.

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